"People Don't Want to Work Anymore" Duh?

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Comment by zephyrthenoble 1 hour ago

Kind of unrelated but sorry that you are currently unmedicated. I have found that it's nice to take a break of like one day from my medication but, in line with the point of the article, I find life too difficult to handle unmedicated for more than a day at a time.

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Comment by dyauspitr 1 hour ago

I’m going to take it a step ahead and say no one has ever wanted to work the kind of hours most people work. Left to their own devices people might work 15 hours a week but very few would voluntarily work 40-60 hours per week. It’s always been about it being a necessity for survival.

Comment by f1yght 1 hour ago

He talks about that in the article, but people did less work than they do now when all they did was survival. We are working more than people who were at subsistence levels.

Comment by Arnt 15 minutes ago

I think the "work" he talks about was unpaid and enforced. Stuff armed people forced you to do, that took up time you needed for your subsistence farming.

Comment by SpicyLemonZest 18 minutes ago

I don't think that's true. There are some subsistence societies, blessed with abundant resources and neighbors with no interest in taking them, where people worked less. In many societies people worked more. (And of course, in all premodern societies, it was common to have famines where many of your neighbors would starve to death because they couldn't get enough food no matter how much they worked.)

Comment by bluefirebrand 1 hour ago

The type of work people used to do was a lot more varied too. Even specialists would have to do more work than just their speciality

As people have specialized more and more we spend more time on a much more narrowly defined set of tasks

And we spend a lot more time per week doing just those tasks

Comment by i_love_retros 31 minutes ago

More self betterment less work

Comment by Varelion 2 hours ago

Wealth inequality will destroy America. Tax wealth. Tax wealth violently.

Comment by elevation 48 minutes ago

Confiscate all billionaire liquidity and distribute it as a dividend today and you get a one-time $$$ payment for every citizen. Liquidate all their assets and you get another $$$ payment, but you've dismantled businesses which have massively raise the standard of living accross the country (next day delivery of goods, ubiquitous home internet) and ended many jobs. You've also dis-incentivized a lot of people future ambitions.

Comment by addaon 23 minutes ago

> Liquidate all their assets and you get another $$$ payment, but you've dismantled businesses

How does this follow? Liquidating assets means selling them to a buyer... who can continue to operate the business.

Comment by Clent 18 minutes ago

> dis-incentivized a lot of people future ambitions.

Let's assume this is true. It must be compared to how many people's ambitions will have been awoken.

Comment by jmcqk6 43 minutes ago

Why are you assuming those are the only available options?

Comment by nick_ 27 minutes ago

The ol' straw man with a side of false choice.

Comment by dyauspitr 12 minutes ago

I’m a little more nuanced on this. I personally think paradigm shifting changes come from having insane capital and being able to fund those large scale changes (and it’s not just the US. That’s literally how east Asia developed their economy. The analog for very rich people was the state in China and India is basically currently following the same model as the other Asian countries). Only billionaires or very large corporations have that sort of capital. All of that to say we definitely need very rich people in society but at the same time you cannot have one person literally have more wealth than 50% of the country that is insane. There needs to be some limit maybe 100 billion or 200 billion is all you can have or something like that something that literally applies to 10 people

Comment by dominotw 1 hour ago

each technological advance increases wealth inequality. Problem is not wealth inequality its things getting worse for ppl low on totem pole vs getting better. I am sure ppl wouldnt mind inequlity if things were getting cheaper, healthcare being more accesible ect. Thats what AI promised but never delivered. Nothing has gotten cheaper like predicted.

Comment by f1yght 1 hour ago

People don’t mind mild inequality. Some people have more, that’s fine. When it’s extreme it’s a problem. 100% we need to make sure everyone is taken care of before we worry about if someone can have even more money than they will ever need.

Comment by malicka 1 hour ago

No, it’s definitely the insane amounts of inequality we have today. The inequality is why there is less money flowing through the economy, why folks with incredible amounts of wealth can buy media outlets and attempt to buy elections to further their interests to hinder attempts to make things cheaper for average people. The inequality gives them their power, it’s the whole point.

Comment by mrtesthah 46 minutes ago

Absolutely. Lack of effective enforcement of anti-trust and consumer protection laws are major factors in rising costs of everyday people. Corporations and oligarchs get to do whatever they want and suffer no consequences for it, because Citizens United gives power to those with the most wealth.

There’s a reason why half the country would vote for a democratic socialist now.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/6178694-voters-support...

Comment by draygonia 1 hour ago

Maybe raising the minimum wage was never a good idea and we should instead consider a wage cap that taxes heavily those that make above some insane figure everyone should be happy with... $10m a year? That seems generous enough for now until someone turns the money printer back on.

Comment by gunalx 12 minutes ago

You could make it a function of a median income of some sorts.

Comment by nxm 52 minutes ago

People don’t want to work anymore, but they keep expecting more from their already debt loaded governments - the free ride has to end at some point.

Comment by LoFiSamurai 48 minutes ago

You actually believe that most people are getting a “free ride”? You’re reducing this to simple laziness?

Comment by SpicyLemonZest 28 minutes ago

I don't think that very many people are getting a free ride. I'm sure it happens but it's not common.

I do think there are a lot of people, like the OP, who think people should be. They view the structure of modern society and the lack of free rides as something that "boomer, petite-bourgeoise types" have imposed on us, rather than a reflection of underlying realities.

Comment by cattenwallen 6 minutes ago

I think there should be free rides for a lot of circumstances tbh. Like, I want children to be clothed, housed, fed, educated, and exposed to minimal trauma or workplace/economy pressure. I want anyone too disabled to work to also be clothed, housed, fed, educated to the degree possible depending on their disability... I want single moms to not worry about that stuff either... I want 70+ y/o folks to not feel pressured to be in the workforce so they can leave leadership opportunities to younger folks... None of this has to do with some characterization of people that are against those things I just think we disagree

Comment by bigbadfeline 22 minutes ago

"Free ride" is what big biz and especially big AI are getting, the government reduces their taxes, pays for the bailouts and gets saddled with the debt which is then passed to... those who elect it.

Comment by i_love_retros 32 minutes ago

Actually they just expect people with over a billion dollars to pay a lot more tax. And seeing as those people built so much wealth by raping society and exploiting people and through corruption I'd say it's the least that should happen to them.

Comment by OKRainbowKid 22 minutes ago

I agree – the freeloaders being the billionaire class.

Comment by greenhat76 18 minutes ago

The debt the US has is not due to hand outs, but whatever you say.

Comment by skullone 1 hour ago

A bit "edgelord" and really not sure, but I sense schizophrenia too.

Comment by ashwin42 2 hours ago

Gotta love this one.

Comment by h8top245 2 hours ago

truth nuke

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Comment by dh2022 1 hour ago

OMG the swearing on this article. Whatever message the author wanted to convey is lost on me - I could not go beyond the first paragraph.

Comment by yladiz 1 hour ago

I have a similar disdain to high levels of unnecessary cursing in something written, like the trend of "The Fucking Weather" style things, but I think this wasn't particularly noticeable. I would stick with it to the end.

Comment by OKRainbowKid 1 hour ago

Your loss!

I found it refreshing compared to polished corpo speak, and I think it aligns with the message the author wants to convey.

Comment by dh2022 1 hour ago

The language used in that article segmented the audience very effectively :)

Comment by imimayj1337 1 hour ago

I also found it refreshing - particularly given the semi lobotomised LLM slop we're seeing most articles written in nowadays. It's nice to see someone's actual tone coming through even if it is peppered with profanity!