No Intel, no Qualcomm: Huawei unveils its first '100% domestic' desktop

Posted by yogthos 16 hours ago

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Comment by vazark 3 hours ago

In retrospect, the Huawei ban might have been the best thing that happened to Chinese tech sector

Comment by jogu 13 hours ago

Interesting, with a tagline like '100% domestic' I would have expected this to be RISC-V based but it's actually ARM.

Comment by ksec 10 hours ago

I believe this is still ARM China, not ARM ARM ( I can't remember what's the name they used in China ).

Comment by mike_hearn 8 hours ago

China took direct control of the Chinese ARM subsidiary years ago.

Comment by Havoc 15 hours ago

That’s a pretty big deal if that 100% is genuinely deep/all the way.

Don’t think any other country can do end to end in house?

Comment by maxglute 10 hours ago

If cpu x90, then process smic n+2, probably still ASML DUVs... if not implication profound. Even if domestic tooling, can't imagine this full end to end, they're aggressively indigenizing and validating all the semi inputs, i.e. gases, chemicals last few years but seems too early to have all parts covered. When they do (unlikely now) in which case, yeah probably PRC only country with entire closed loop indigenous semi chain -> hardware -> software stack. On the other hand I wouldn't put past that some very low volume 100% domestic trial line exist.

Comment by MiroslavPokorny 13 hours ago

The CPU is based on ARM and English company that designs CPUs, and the OS is a fork of Android which is American.

Comment by flanz_10 12 hours ago

fwiw harmonyos hasnt used android/linux for a few years. they still support apks via an aosp container, though

Comment by russli1993 12 hours ago

no, they just use ARM instructions set, the core design such as CPU, GPU, NPU, etc is all their own, like Apple. OS is not fork of Android, there is no Android code in HarmonyOS. HarmonyOS uses Linux kernel but has its own user space systems.

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Comment by yogthos 13 hours ago

Except now both Kirin X90 and HarmonyOS are their own thing. Just like Android itself is based off Linux, but is its own thing now too. What matters is that the chips and the OS are developed domestically in China without reliance on British or American companies.

Comment by dmitrygr 11 hours ago

  >Don’t think any other country can do end to end in house?
Russia can, France could if they wanted to

Comment by klrefg 10 hours ago

If you count Russia then US obviously can as well. If you lower the bar even slightly further to 80s/90s tech even more countries would qualify.

Comment by dmitrygr 25 minutes ago

I assumed the US was included as a given, what with Intel here

Comment by Neywiny 14 hours ago

The US can. There are domestic packaging people and board houses. I think the EU can but I'm not sure and that's not a country.

Comment by abdullahkhalids 14 hours ago

https://archive.ph/7g2LM

Comment by syradar 11 hours ago

So not really 100% domestic since it runs on ARM and is built using C, C++, Rust and JavaScript but they are close. I prefer something more open like Linux or more integrated like macOS, but fun for them.

Comment by pjmlp 7 hours ago

ARM is a design not an implementation.

C and C++ are ISO standards, with multiple implementations.

JavaScript is an ECMA/ISO standard, with multiple implementations.

Rust is sponsored by an international foundation.

Additionally, Harmony OS is its own thing, it has long stop being an Android fork, with ArkTS and Cangjie, as the main way to develop applications for the platform.

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts

https://cangjie-lang.cn/en

Comment by adrian_b 7 hours ago

By that standard, a computer designed and made in USA that would use ARM and C++ would not be American, because at their initial origins ARM was British and C++ Danish (and inspired by the Norwegian SIMULA 67). Even the C programming language cannot be called American by your methodology, because it includes many features taken from the ALGOL 68 language, which were introduced in it mainly by a Dutch team.

The reality is that computer technology is global. It does not belong to any single country.

If you analyze any piece of hardware or software, it aggregates various elements that have their origins in many countries.

What matters is whether you can design and build a complete system, not from where you might have learned each of the great number of things required for this.

Comment by bewareofscams 3 hours ago

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Comment by metalman 11 hours ago

Huawei has a 'good news' drop ready for every time the rest of tech has a bad day. At this point it is quite evident that the US/euro moves against Huawei/China were badly miscalculated, and have only served to focus and motivate them, and it's the reality of bieng cut off from imported tech that is actualy very good for there R and D , marketing, financial management, investment, manufacturing,government planning and regulation, gone is the need to juggle importing the 'latest' tech,with domestic production, and now nobody can say diddly boo about them bieng protectionist, ever again. Worse, a look at what Chinas imports before the tech ban were will almost certainly be an exact match for the margin that big tech needed to stay afloat this week. Extra worse, everybody, even microsoft and apple hard cores are going to wonder if the Huawei desktop is actualy just simple and nice to use, but we wont know because we , yes, us, have FREEDOM FROM CHOICE™®©

we are living in a cartoon distopian apocalyps as drawn by the worst petulant office dweeb who is doing WAY to much acid on the weekends

Comment by astrashe2 15 hours ago

This seems significant.

Comment by jbverschoor 10 hours ago

And no ASML

Comment by adrian_b 3 hours ago

After the parent article, the next article is about a Chinese start-up showing for the first time a prototype for EUV lithography.

However, they estimate that they will reach the stage when this can be used in production in 3 to 5 years.

Comment by MaxPock 14 hours ago

This will make some people very angry because, according to them, you are supposed to close up shop, not build internal capacity and capabilities, when America sanctions you.

Comment by flanz_10 13 hours ago

who is "some people"?

Comment by russli1993 12 hours ago

USA China hawks, people want to attack China