Victory! Court Rules OPM Data Disclosure to DOGE Is Unlawful

Posted by hn_acker 1 day ago

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Comment by coldpie 1 day ago

It is going to take decades to clean up the mess of just the last 2 years. So, so, so many people need to be in jail.

Comment by techlover14159 54 minutes ago

Everyone important/rich/connected will be pardoned. Peons will be left holding the bag, as always.

Comment by jkubicek 1 day ago

I've become a jail maximalist. Everyone who stole government data while working for DOGE? Jail. Everyone who offered a bribe to the Trump administration or accepted a bribe on behalf of the Trump administration? Jail. Everyone from private to general who was involved in murdering all those Argentinian fisherman? A hole in the ground under the jail.

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Comment by craigmcnamara 1 day ago

Jail is a good start, but maybe a step farther for some.

Comment by causesothere 1 day ago

When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to be oppressors. We must seek not to invert the relationship, but in fact to humanize both sides. Teach them empathy as justice is served to make whole the oppressed.

Comment by dragonsky67 1 day ago

I don't see how things are improved by conducting a witch hunt. Rather expend that energy at doing things better - showing how things should be done, create by action a positive contrast to the actions you would condemn.

Maybe if those where are in public service, would actually do their jobs and serve the public we would all be better off.

It's a hard thing to do - letting people get away with murder - but if the alternative is to expand the current divisions in society, is it the best outcome for that society?

I don't have the answers, but I know it's very easy to point fingers and say "it's all their fault".. They have been doing it for years, and have shown it works, do you also want to take up their methods?

Comment by jfim 1 day ago

> Maybe if those where are in public service, would actually do their jobs and serve the public we would all be better off.

What makes you think they don't?

Comment by jkubicek 1 day ago

The implication of "witch hunt" is that there isn't really anything to find; authorities are abusing their power to harass someone for political reasons.

Why would a billionaire known for bribing authorities pay Alina Habba $50MM (for no apparent reason) immediately before receiving a presidential pardon? If we continue to let people like this get away with committing crimes right out in the open, we're never going to get back to a world where the rule of law matters.

We can't let accusing your political enemies of a crime as you are actively committing the same crime continue to be a get-out-of-jail-free card. There's no both-sides here. One side is obscenely corrupt, the other is... the best we have at the moment.

Comment by causesothere 1 day ago

I think you are agreeing with me?

Comment by hn_acker 21 hours ago

> When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to be oppressors. We must seek not to invert the relationship, but in fact to humanize both sides.

(Downthread:)

> Prison is necessarily oppressive.

> Sure sounds like you want to oppress a people to me.

Are you arguing that we should strive for a society that does not imprison anyone, or are you asking people to recognize prison as oppression without excluding prison as a valid/necessary/reasonable treatment for some people?

> Teach them empathy as justice is served to make whole the oppressed.

While the oppressed should not have sole decision-making authority or unlimited options (and afaik the oppressed almost never if ever advocate for such), generally the evaluation of whether the oppressed have been made whole (and whether the oppressed can be made whole in the first place) is for the oppressed to make, not for others or the law to decide.

Let us also recognize fundamental differences between oppressing people for their identities or their not-acted-upon thoughts and oppressing people for their actions.

Comment by causesothere 24 minutes ago

I would abolish prison, except in the absolutely narrowest possible set of circumstances. Even then, prison would not be punitive. I am firmly of the belief that most crime comes from lack of education, lack of material needs, or lack of mental health and drug care.

The quote about oppressed becoming oppressors is a loose summary of "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed" where a central thesis is that it is relatively easier for the oppressed to fight to become oppressors rather than seek the liberatory education that would free both.

It's fairly common throughout modern history for a change in power to result in oppressed taking over the systems of the oppressor. You see it VERY commonly in US politics, as evidenced by the insinuation up thread by another poster that we should kill people.

And yes, you are right that the oppressed get to decide when they are made whole. I am specifically pointing out that for many of them, they choose the systems of the oppressor to achieve that, themselves becoming oppressors in the act of making themselves whole. Rather than making themselves whole through ending the cycle of violence and elevating everyone.

Comment by jkubicek 1 day ago

I don't want to oppress a people, I want to jail criminals.

Comment by causesothere 1 day ago

Prison is necessarily oppressive. "Criminal" sure does a lot of heavy lifting when you are making the laws...

Sure sounds like you want to oppress a people to me.

Comment by rexpop 8 hours ago

Freire also said:

> With the establishment of a relationship of oppression, violence has already begun. Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed.

Comment by causesothere 23 minutes ago

Yes, this is of course true. The oppressed are not initiating violence. They receive it first.

What's the concern? Friere is not saying the oppressed cannot enact violence. Just that the oppressor is the first to do so.

Comment by tstrimple 14 hours ago

No thanks. We've seen this nonsense play out over the last few decades. Republicans do evil and illegal shit. Get voted out. Democrats promise to be bipartisan in their new administration. Bring Republicans into their cabinets and appoint them to the highest positions in the land. Public doesn't like the economy or some other bullshit excuse and vote Republicans back in. Republicans who say Democrats are evil baby killing pet eating monsters who want you to work for illegal immigrants on welfare. Republicans purge Democrats from as much as they can get away with. Often with more illegal shit. The country starts falling apart so Democrats are elected again. They promise to be bipartisan and heal the country. They put Republicans in their cabinet and in important positions in government.

Literally all this appeasement has lead to MAGA. You let conservatives get away with evil and illegal shit decade after decade trying to be "empathetic" and "understand them" and "be bipartisan" while they call for your head.

> “Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.”

~ A.R. Moxon

And way too many Democrats keep falling for it.

Comment by causesothere 17 minutes ago

The democrats dream is to become the oppressor. The dems are exactly who I am being critical of. I encounter democrats every day who say things like, "maybe we shouldn't let those hicks vote".

And I'm not proposing appeasement. Fascist policy must be stamped out. You can not barter with it.

This is not a "meet in the middle" position I propose. This is a leftist position of "feed everyone, house everyone, care for everyone, wellbeing for all, no matter who".

Yes, all means all. I do not care who you are, you deserve food, water, healthcare, housing, etc. If you have done harm to others, you must work to make them whole through your acts, not by rotting in a cell -- restorative justice not punitive justice.

Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

Comment by rexpop 8 hours ago

Yes, I support capital punishment for federal crimes committed as acts of governance.

Comment by oliwarner 1 day ago

I'd wait a few years before prosecuting anyone though. Or find some way to withdraw Trump's ability to pardon people for crime he enabled.

Comment by jfengel 1 day ago

"The court will decide the remedy at a later date."

It's not much of a victory if the remedy is meaningless. The initial suit asks for:

1. Declare that the Suitability Rule and the Performance Appraisal Rule are not in accordance with law; in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, or short of statutory right; and arbitrary and capricious in violation of the APA; 2. Vacate, hold unlawful, and set aside the Suitability Rule and the Performance Appraisal Rule under the APA; 3. Enter any stay or preliminary and permanent injunctive relief as warranted by law; 4. Award Plaintiffs their costs, reasonable attorneys’ fees, and other disbursements asappropriate; and 5. Grant such other relief as this Court may deem just and proper.

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As far as I can tell, this comes down to "don't let this affect people's performance ratings come the next review". That seems really unlikely to me. You can't ask people to forget what they know -- and even if they pretend to, they won't.

Comment by mannyv 1 day ago

In this era, a ruling by a district court is irrelevant.

What do the Supremes say?

There have been a lot of doctrinal changes over the last few years, and lots of courts haven't gotten the memo.

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