The Maya Collapse Was Blamed on Drought. The Full Story Is More Complicated

Posted by Hooke 2 days ago

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Comment by octaane 2 days ago

Comment by mc32 2 days ago

"Even if the droughts had not been evenly distributed across Mesoamerica, the spared pockets would still have been vulnerable to their second-order effects — political instability, warfare, mass migration."

We're seeing all these second order effects now.

Comment by tharkun__ 2 days ago

    Those stressors could have pushed even rainy cities past what the local societies could tolerate, as mutually reinforcing crises rippled into each other.
That seems to be the part you're not quoting (sentence right after what you quoted) that rings true to that and I do think should be called out to "make your point".

Like, think back to the "Arab spring" when mass migration attempts were made towards Western Europe (some of it continuing today). In geological history context, a thousand years from now, that's within the timeframe examined in the article for the past, given Europe is now experiencing more drought-like conditions itself as well.

Or think of South American mass-migration attempts from a few years ago, that went all the way up to Canada. Never mind the grab for Ukraine's most prolific wheat production areas (I'll leave it up to the reader to search up maps for this - they do differ by years for example but we can see a general tendency towards anything east of the Dnipro river being a really good area to have under your control in the future.

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Comment by Huarache1 2 days ago

You're thinking of the Aztecs, who had some of the most well organized, cleanest cities in the world, despite brutal sacrifices which replaced death in warfare. It's an odd paradox noted by the Spanish. It's like hearing how the Vikings cleaned themselves obsessively before viciously going to raiding campaigns.

The Maya, despite the Spanish, still exist today. You can even eat their foods, like Poc Chuuc, Xec salad, Tikin Xic, Cochinitas Pibil, Sikil Pak, etc.

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