Frontier AI on Your Own Hardware
Posted by pretext 1 day ago
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Comment by JSavageOne 1 day ago
Hard to take anything the author says seriously making nonsensical claims like this. The software engineering job market has been getting worse every year since 2022 by virtually every metric. This is especially true at the entry and mid level. For example, computer engineering and computer science majors now have the #2 and #4 highest unemployment rates amongst recent graduates [1]
Students are smart to be cautious about the future, and it's annoying that adults with no skin in the game so flippantly dismiss these concerns without any data to back it up.
[1] https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market?utm...
Comment by sakopov 1 day ago
[1] https://hiringlab.indeed.com/2026/07/08/ai-and-job-postings-...
Comment by api 1 day ago
So how do we get the next generation of senior professionals then?
This, I think, is a civilization-scale problem we will need to confront in the next 20-ish years.
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Comment by ojosilva 23 hours ago
Senior (now): - AI build me an app that uses a graph DB that will deploy in the edge. Batch DB requests to keep costs low. Oh, use good cache + memoization to reduce hits. Write great tests, some logging and implement hot-reloading for a great dev-to-ops workflow that is also resilient. Man, before I had to do this all by hand, this is a godsend!
Junior (now): - AI build app please.
Email from boss: Junior! Whatever it is you've deployed, it's making 1M reqs/min to the DB and ate up our quota 2h ago. Shut it down now!
Junior (future): - AI1 design for cost. AI2 eval for performance. AI3 align for business goals. AI4 criticize AI1 and AI2 using top standards. AI5 set up a competing swarm. AI6 here's a budget, spend on real users and action on telemetry and their feedback.
Comment by dansquizsoft 22 hours ago
Ugh, please no, why isn't these instructions in the system prompt of the harness if they are so valuable to the junior's work...?
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Comment by beachy 22 hours ago
The skills to drive AI are much the same as they were for business analysts in the old days. Domain knowledge, insight into user requirements, knowledge of modern UI paradigms, ability to write detailed, consistent requirements docs/ design docs.
There is a deep bench in the industry of these senior-ish people. Many have left to become baristas, dive instructors or hobby farmers, scarred by the pain of building large complex software systems using human labour and absurd Agile rituals. But they could slot straight back in, it's like riding a bike.
AI development is the new waterfall. Its just that the lower level that the BA hands off to, which used to be roomfuls of devs, is now a superhuman who can implement those designs at lighting speed and come back hungrily for more.
But if by senior you mean someone who is just a junior with more experience, someone who's not really in touch with the business's needs and who just works off stuff fed to them by PMs or the like - then yeah, agreed.
Comment by cosmic_cheese 21 hours ago
That's not a role that can reasonably be filled by a junior and management armed with agents doesn't really fit either.
Comment by marcus_holmes 21 hours ago
Yeah, not quite. There's a ton to learn about how to control an LLM while it's writing code, and even more to learn about how to manage a set of agents.
9 months ago I was comparing it to running a dev team, but now it has changed and there are practices and processes that are unique to managing agents.
e.g. a team of software devs have the self-awareness to not take a single marginally-relevant point in a spec document and spend 20% of their team effort to build an entire subsystem to meet it without checking. The process and rituals that we used to use to make sure that a software dev team was making progress and would hit the project deadline are now largely useless, but we need new ones to make sure the agents are not heading off into unnecessary rabbit holes.
I'm not saying those ex-seniors would not be able to get back in the saddle. I'm just saying there's been more change in the last 9 months than there has in the last 30 years, so it may take a period of adjustment.
But I don't think the things that burned them out before will have changed. Dealing with non-tech executives was always the worst part of the job, and LLMs can't help with that, and are even making it worse ("ChatGPT says this should only take a couple a hours and you're using Typescript instead of Go! Why? Fix it!").
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Comment by beachy 2 hours ago
A human would (rightfully) call you out for wasting time and resources. AI slurps up your feedback and dives in again with the same vigour.
Comment by lelanthran 16 hours ago
So? The experts have a only few months of experience anyway, gained the slow way (via experimentation). It's not like someone can't pick up those skills in a week.
Comment by Razengan 9 hours ago
Humans will have to redefine what it means to "earn", to "deserve", to "succeed", to be "responsible", to exist...
We should have confronted this when computers and factory robots first appeared, but we keep putting it off and kicking it down the road until it won't be possible anymore.
Hell we should have addressed this during the Industrial Revolution, but instead we added minute hands to clocks so workers would have to work more for less: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Em96NVxO9Q "So this is progress - Terry Jones 1991"
Comment by docenttx 5 hours ago
We have a remarkable tendency to believe that our particular technological moment is somehow unprecedented. Locke's labor mixing never required kinetic effects. Talent, skill, judgment, creativity, effort, and, more importantly, time; were always part of the concept.
Perhaps the mistake is not that technology ever changed what is valued, but that we have.
Comment by kingofmen 19 hours ago
...at least, until they accumulate enough stocks to retire on.
...however, for each one that retires and cannot be replaced due to the no-upcoming-juniors problem, evidently, the value of the companies they own goes down. So they won't be able to retire, or at least not all of them. So there's no problem!
Comment by dandanua 15 hours ago
Why would AGI owners need senior professionals?
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Comment by program_whiz 10 hours ago
We have other structural issues in society that make this difficult now. For example the fact that without a large pay check, few young people will be able to live near the place where jobs are available, afford essentials, and will have no health care.
But yes, if we returned to a culture of "children live with parents until married" and "apprentice at a company until your work is valuable", and companies returned to "hire what you actually need, then invest heavily in employee growth for the long term", and reducing churn of employees (so that employees and employers have incentive to do this), then it might be possible.
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Comment by sheepscreek 21 hours ago
Don’t get me wrong, as a technologist, I feel AI is the most incredible thing in the field of computer science. I love having a team of my agents for stuff I care about. For stuff I care about.
So perhaps now more than ever, it’s important to land a job you actually care about. In a field or domain you want to serve. To actually make a difference somewhere and find meaning.
Comment by rsl1 16 hours ago
100% agree, for things I don't really care about its just draining. Its a bit of having the cake and eating it at the same time
Comment by deterministic 18 hours ago
Not my experience at all. I love not having to do the low-level code writing. I’ve been doing that for 30+ years, so I’m more than happy to let the AI handle that part now!
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Comment by manyatoms 1 day ago
In a few years it'll quiet down again
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Comment by plastic-enjoyer 14 hours ago
But does it really matter? If the promises associated with AI come true, it won’t really matter what degree you get or what trade you learn, because humam jobs will be a problem solved sooner rather than later.
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Comment by deterministic 18 hours ago
That makes sense given what LLMs are good at and what they’re not.
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Comment by wrs 1 day ago
The focus on building stuff as the measure of accomplishment is one reason I so enjoyed being at CMU a few decades ago, so I'm very happy to see this sentiment is still expressed by the new generation of faculty.
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Comment by ericd 13 hours ago
But I'd also not dismiss what Tim has to say. For much longer than this stuff has been super hyped, he's reliably been one of the best sources of info on some of this stuff, especially about GPUs and how to run things locally.
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Comment by agosz 20 hours ago
Terrible article. It's full of these; it's tell-tale LLM. I'm surprised people post these, especially after all the articles that got upvoted that people hate LLM written articles.
Nevertheless, my curiosity got the better of me, and I thought the author might have some valuable insight further down. I skimmed forward where he talks about pessimism and came across this:
> the “software engineer” job no longer exists — and both are now within reach: agent skills come with time, and deep specialization, which used to take years, is quick to acquire with agents.
This is just plain wrong with the experience we've had ramping up juniors on my team (compiler backend). It still takes a long time to get to know the domain. Agents can't replace context and knowledge about the whole system and how it fits together with other systems and the use cases it might be subjected to. Agents can help accelerate it, but it doesn't feel like it has been "quick to acquire" for the juniors that joined my team.
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Comment by vedmakk 1 day ago
^ this
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Comment by marcus_holmes 21 hours ago
As kids, we know what 4 is before addition is even mentioned. And we can count those 2 marbles and those 2 marbles and then those 4 marbles before learning the "+" sign.
If you think about it, we must know what 2 and 4 mean before we can learn what + means.
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Comment by mark_l_watson 9 hours ago
re: “”Start with the harness, because it is what makes everything else usable.””
I have written three harnesses this year (in Common Lisp, Python, and Racket Scheme) and it has been a fantastic learning experience. I have been using neural network tech since I was on a DARPA neural network advisory panel in the 198os, and I am even more excited (by an order of magnitude) than I was back then.
I think Tim has it right, and the hyperscalers serve a function of bootstrapping smaller systems, but they are far from the whole story.
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Comment by fghorow 22 hours ago
I need it yesterday!
(At the moment, I'm using the OSS version of headroom. That was a real PITA to configure for local-only, but I think it is working reasonably well now.)
Cliff Compaction though???
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Comment by AnodicElegy 1 day ago
It's quite a leap to go from "I'm afraid of not getting a job after graduating" to "I do not believe there is a place for me in the future". Maybe it hasn't been the case for computer scientists in the past decade, but it's pretty normal to be worried about getting a job after graduating from one's college problem, even if one knows that most people get jobs when they graduate.
I stopped reading soon after that, when it became obvious that the article was LLM-written.
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Comment by joe_the_user 1 day ago
I believe both stories are wrong, and wrong for the same reason.
In this day and age, anyone who writes their own essays would never write that.
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Comment by joe_the_user 4 hours ago
I'd put it as, the very best writing can just use a lot of simple, declarative sentences. Decent, not extraordinary writing may need a few such constructs to take the reader in the direction the author intend. And you can use these constructs in a sort-of "poetic" way if you want to land in the land of conceptionality or something.
But the key thing is that with AIs, their output is subtly wrong everywhere, in a way that most human action doesn't follow (usually coherent syntax implies coherent semantics but not so much with AI). And so there really isn't good glue-phrase to use keep those semi-thoughts together.
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Comment by polotics 18 hours ago
...and you're right, it's not the idiosyncrasies, it's the fluffy meandering meaningless purposeless vapidity.
Comment by tempacct2cmmnt 1 day ago
“ This week is our argument for that claim, and we are making it in code rather than in prose.”
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Comment by jacquesm 1 day ago
> With agents, research per projects have become easy and quick.
Either my English is failing me or that is a weird sentence.
And then there is 'wee' in
> If you ask me what a small lab can do today, wee will show you three things:
Which I'm more confident is an error.
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Comment by emulbasaka 1 day ago
> I believe both stories are wrong, and wrong for the same reason. They assume the future of research belongs to whoever has the most GPUs.
As a current grad student in an mlsys lab, the sentiment is definitely true. However, I think the root cause is almost certainly not the lack of GPUs in academia, at least it's not the complete reason. The problem is the most important innovations really come from the industry right now. If you want to work on LLM inference serving, it is the frontier labs or hyperscalers that have the most incentives to solve the problems because improving the TPOT by 1% can save them tons of money. It is also much easier to catch up with the fast-growing field if you are in the industry because you get to talk to so many insiders (at least that has been my experience during the summer internship).
Papers only amplify this problem. Traditionally, academia is supposed to work on radical ideas that industries don't want to try. In recent years, these ideas are harder to get in as papers because the quality of peer review at top conferences is awful nowadays.
I'm not even going to talk about the AI slops in research papers and their artifacts. Guess why I'm posting on HN right now instead of working?
Finally, it's very disappointing to see that a professor at top school is so careless about editing stuff created by LLM. He might be busy, but the number of people that get discouraged by the LLM writing style will hurt his purpose of promoting the open source week. And apparently some people from industry had a better sense of that [1]. Yet another example of why some people prefer industry to academia these days.
Comment by kadushka 1 day ago
because fable/astra is working for you? :)
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Comment by bobmarleybiceps 23 hours ago
I've personal almost stopped reading papers in my area, which is in ML but not related to LLMs or CV. I do look for work related to whatever I'm doing, but it's kind of depressing how uncommon it is for (say) neurips papers to actually have anything useful...
(It's also kind of annoying how basically all funding agencies are only funding research into or using AI, but don't provide enough funding for lots of gpu time lol)
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Employees at AI companies have fallen prey to it. The world's most famous biologist fell prey to it. Many people involved in tech have fallen prey to it. Check the "new" page here to see many examples in progress.
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Comment by jacquesm 1 day ago
That said, this article could have been a lot worse, so I guess thanks for that...
Comment by asa123 22 hours ago
I feel like I'm losing it
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Comment by jdw64 1 day ago
This also follows from how current LLMs work. In practice, when I use them in domains I already understand, they can produce very high-quality results. But in domains I do not know well, the results can be poor, and the bigger problem is that I may not even be able to judge how poor they are.
So my conclusion is that AI will reduce the number of jobs, but it will not eliminate the need for people.
In education, the value of memorization may decline in the AI era. We may instead place more emphasis on domain modeling, problem framing, or the ability to choose and use tools effectively. But the more fundamental issue is that the IT industry may simply lose the capacity to employ as many people as it once did.
More precisely, I mean white-collar labor.
I think the deeper cause is a K-shaped economy in which the lower and middle classes become poorer. When ordinary consumers become poorer, one of the first things they tend to cut back on is discretionary spending, including spending on many kinds of IT services.
The core infrastructure layer is different. Large incumbents such as Microsoft and Google already dominate much of it, and they are likely to be more resilient. Search, video consumption, and a few other essential digital services will also remain strong. But many other IT services are, in practice, discretionary goods. Those companies may be hit much harder if consumers have less purchasing power.
People talk constantly about productivity these days, but we were already living in an age of overproduction before AI. AI is moving us from overproduction into an era of explosive production. The problem is that production can expand far faster than people’s ability to consume.
The cycle is supposed to be:
*products → revenue → employment*
But if the consumers who are supposed to support that revenue become poorer, the cycle weakens. Productivity alone cannot solve that.
I agree with the author that academics need to move beyond treating papers as the primary unit of achievement. Much of what the article argues is reasonable.
But there is another difficulty. Most academics built their reputations through papers. They use that reputation to obtain speaking opportunities, consulting work, grants, and other forms of income and status. Even if one person decides to move beyond the paper-centered system, it is difficult to change much unless the larger incentive structure changes as well.
My view is that IT workers have, in a sense, been working to reduce their own jobs since long before AI. The more infrastructure becomes centralized, the more peripheral and smaller companies are squeezed first. AI is simply another example of that process.
Until recently, people often said that highly skilled IT professionals were difficult to replace. AI changes that perception. Even when it does not fully replace knowledge workers, it can put significant downward pressure on the wage premium attached to specialized knowledge.
I do think AI will raise productivity. But companies will also reduce headcount accordingly. And if purchasing power becomes increasingly concentrated among a smaller group of people, product development itself may become more biased toward the preferences of those few consumers. That can create another negative feedback loop.
The claim that universities can simply choose important problems that are cheap to validate is also more difficult than it sounds.
If validation itself increasingly depends on AI, and universities cannot afford to own enough GPUs, then they remain dependent on large AI companies. That dependency will inevitably influence which research problems are practical to pursue.
Any research program is constrained by the institutions and funding sources that make the research possible. Always.
At the same time, I actually agree with the author that universities will become more important.
People often talk about “skill” as though it were some pure and independent quantity, but in my experience hiring rarely works that way. If one candidate is highly capable without a degree and another is equally capable with a degree, employers will usually prefer the credentialed candidate.
More broadly, people tend to hire those with whom they feel cultural familiarity and trust. University networks provide exactly that. Alumni often help other alumni, directly or indirectly.
So I think universities may increasingly become both social institutions and stronger elite-training clubs.
For someone like me, coming from a poorer country and without much money, there may not be many choices in that system anyway.
Still, I think the author’s argument is far too optimistic.
Comment by marcus_holmes 21 hours ago
taps the sign: "The economy is there to provide for all the people. People are not there to be economically productive"
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Comment by oliculipolicula 19 hours ago
1. OpenAI/Anthropic and their friends in high academia are like Ford. Their supervisees (2nd class citizens of the Borg, if not what you mean by "the people") can afford to validate frontiers. Detractors may wish for something like Fordlandia to happen (ie the climate becoming an "unforeseen" but critical issue).
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>The claim that universities can simply choose important problems that are cheap to validate is also more difficult than it sounds.
This sounds like a polarization of the mathematician electorate. oAI/Anthropic becoming the far right. Most-famous and Nonfamous academics alike join the other side (decentralizers). Barely second tier academics (Witten, Gowers, Hairer for some strange reason) become alt-right. Centrists migrate to silicon valley en masse, only indirectly complicit with the far right in a role of "cognitive swing(vot)ing"
We're in for a world of Trickle-down Sapience!
In the other, non-hacker news, math-Mamdani becomes vice-chancellor of Oxford, purges PPE ("campaign donations" from Gerko?). BRCS silently become net-token-exporters. Token rates in India/Japan/Korea exceed even Canada
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Comment by tygon 1 day ago
> If you are a student, you have to let go of the idea that you first acquire skills and basic knowledge and then solve problems
and my brain instantly equated it to "we want a new graduate with 30 years of experience." You always will need to build some basis of fundamentals before you can solve problems.
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