Meta Ordered to Pay $942M to Address Harm to Kids from Social Media

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Comment by tristanj 5 hours ago

Per the court ruling [0], the specific law that Meta violated was New Mexico’s public-nuisance law, NMSA 1978 § 30-8-1. The relevant section that was violated is [1]:

A public nuisance consists of knowingly creating, performing or maintaining anything affecting any number of citizens without lawful authority which is either:

- A. injurious to public health, safety, morals or welfare; or

- B. interferes with the exercise and enjoyment of public rights, including the right to use public property.

Whoever commits a public nuisance for which the act or penalty is not otherwise prescribed by law is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

The judge found that Meta’s operation of Facebook and Instagram created a public nuisance which injured public health, safety, and welfare; and burdened public schools, hospitals, and law enforcement. The judge ordered Meta to pay $567 million into a fund to abate the harm done.

[0] https://www.kob.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/D-101-CV-2023...

[1] https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/chapter-30/article-8...

Comment by matt123456789 4 hours ago

The "without lawful authority" condition will result in this being vacated upon appeal. Meta isn't a public nuisance any more than Philip Morris. Both are regulated already, both produce addictive products, both are optional.

Comment by bormaj 3 hours ago

The level of regulation applied to Meta is very different from Philip Morris.

Comment by pessimizer 3 hours ago

This dumb lawfare is a safety valve to allow them to continue not to regulate. Just like the under-18 bans are also an excuse not to regulate (and to root everyone's computer.) Somehow the evil algorithms become fine the day people turn 18, so all they have to do to comply is check. It's individuals' responsibility to make it easy for them.

Comment by mcmcmc 1 hour ago

Lizard person says what

Comment by aprilthird2021 9 minutes ago

Can any lawyer chime in for us laymen? This seems like such a broad law that can be interpreted to allow any punishment against basically anything especially since "public morals" are such a subjective thing.

Comment by qwe----3 4 hours ago

These rulings are stupid and if generalized would make doing business impossible. Parents should parent their kids. That law is so board - "public morals"? Should every porn site be taken down?

Comment by tw04 4 hours ago

The world would almost assuredly be a better place if 14 year olds were looking at playboy magazines instead of having easy access to every fetish under the sun. It has distorted many a young man’s ideas of intimacy and sexual relations.

Comment by safety1st 1 hour ago

One third of porn consumers are women. They are hardly immune.

Comment by somenameforme 1 hour ago

This didn't pass the sniff test for me, and I think this [1] goes some way to explaining why it's misleading. They get into the issue of frequency - women very rarely, men - goons locked and loaded. So if you look at a monthly survey, about 1 in 3 women say yes even though it was probably just 1 'experience' for that month as opposed to many for an average man.

In other words we intuit that figure as meaning female_views/total_views = 33% when in reality that number would likely be low single digits. If you count men who identify as women, as men, then the number's going to go even lower. And I expect a significant chunk of the small remaining group are going to be from couples experimenting together, at the man's behest.

[1] - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/5180/are-one-in...

Comment by sublinear 1 hour ago

Nobody is surprised by the misogyny of your reply or early 2010s stackexchange.

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Comment by Sha1rholder 50 minutes ago

In what aspect is Playboy magazines superior?

Comment by Barrin92 12 minutes ago

it contained significantly less extreme content. There's studies on kids as young as 12 routinely being exposed to sexual violence, practices such as choking or degrading activity in porn and viewing it as so normal that young women report being expected to take part in it. Fetishes and kinks that were reserved for adults are now normalized among teens.

"In an essay published in The Free Press in August, 16-year-old Isabel Hogben described how, by the time she was in 4th grade, she had seen internet porn featuring “simulated incest, bestiality, extreme bondage, sex with unconscious women, gangbangs, sadomasochism and unthinkable physical violence.” This is not an isolated case: A French government task force on equality recently reported that as much as 90% of online pornography features “verbal, physical and sexual violence toward women.”

Playboy wasn't necessarily a beacon of feminism (although sometimes surprisingly it was) but what young people are exposed to is in an entirely different category.

https://archive.ph/CPeNz

Comment by krapp 4 hours ago

"Playboy magazines" are part of the problem.

Fetishes aren't what has distorted mens' ideas of intimacy and sexual relations. Fetishes can be a perfectly healthy and consensual form of sexual expression. The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy, and they learn to see their own self worth as a function of their sexual prowess, and women as sexual currency.

Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender kids, and any site about womens' health issues, because "public morals" tends to consider all of it obscene, inherently pornographic or just "icky."

Comment by dash2 4 hours ago

> The problem is the lack of proper sexual education in schools and open dialogue in society because we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy

The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US?

> Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender kids,

There is no reason this has to be true.

Comment by krapp 3 hours ago

>The UK has a lot of sex education, no such taboos, and is the home of OnlyFans. Are any of the problems you mention better in the UK than the US?

I don't know, probably.

>There is no reason this has to be true.

The incessant need of moralists and God-botherers to purge society of anything they deem immoral is the reason. You give these people an inch and and a legal pretext and they take a mile.

Comment by thin_carapace 57 minutes ago

i consider the negative impact of child exposure to hardcore pornography as outweighing the positives of online sex education and would prefer them both deleted rather than having the former involved

Comment by somenameforme 1 hour ago

Sex education is, outside of some places in Europe, very rare. You'll certainly find such things far and few between in Asia. So not only is it absent in non-Christian nations, but the places where it is present, like Scandiland for ex, tend to be Christian.

Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex. And so anybody taking any sort of que from there, whatsoever, has no clue what normal sex or normal relations look like.

Comment by socalgal2 1 hour ago

It doesn't require porn. Most movies, tv shows, rom-coms or dramas, have "unrealistic" depictions of "normal" relationships.

Comment by krapp 1 hour ago

>Porn, let alone fetish porn, has a big problem because all the actors, including "amateur", are not only 'heavily used' and completely desensitized, but also the sort of people willing to publicly share video of themselves having sex.

Maybe, but none of that is germane to the subject at hand.

It's the responsibility of parents and other adults to keep children away from porn, and to teach them about sex and normal relations. Removing porn doesn't solve that problem because again the problem isn't the porn, it's the fact that porn is serving a role in educating people that society refuses to.

Comment by donkey_brains 2 hours ago

“ we're limited by Christian taboos to only ever mentioning abstinence until marriage, so porn becomes the only way men learn about sex and intimacy, and they learn to see their own self worth as a function of their sexual prowess, and women as sexual currency.”

Holy…what the actual…get out of my head. Where can I read more about this idea/how to recover from this type of upbringing? Please?

Comment by spoonjim 1 hour ago

The first two videos listed on PornHub.com are "FUCK THE CONDOM! Skinny Blonde Girl Opens HER LITTLE ASSHOLE FOR MY BIG COCK" and "2 Friends Want to Try an African Dick in the Ass for the First Time While They're Pissed On and Humiliated."

The First Amendment makes this kind of stuff borderline impossible to regulate in the US, but it's pretty obvious that this stuff is harmful to people's brains and that society would be better off it was not available to people (especially minors).

Comment by cm2012 1 hour ago

Lol I have never met someone in my adult life in the usa who was strictly for abstinence before marriage. You are extremely overstating the taboo of it here.

Comment by iammrpayments 1 hour ago

“Kill all the porn sites and you also kill any site that provides education about sex and gender issues (which society won't,) especially for gay and transgender “*kids*

What?

Comment by krapp 1 hour ago

Read all the words. I know it's Hacker News and that's asking for a lot of emotional maturity in a thread like this but I believe in you.

Comment by PixyMisa 2 hours ago

Why are sites about women's health issues posting porn, exactly?

Comment by krapp 1 hour ago

They aren't, I never said they were.

Comment by yieldcrv 4 hours ago

Huge blind spot to think that content only affects men’s view of intimacy and sexual relations

Explain that one for the class

Its a common conception but today is your lucky day to articulate it

Comment by tw04 3 hours ago

To be clear, you want me to articulate a point that you fabricated and then attributed to me? I think I’m going to pass, but feel free to continue the discussion with yourself about things I didn’t say.

Comment by what 2 hours ago

Psst, he didn’t reply to you. He replied to the person that replied to you.

Comment by yieldcrv 55 minutes ago

Good catch, I also wouldn’t have posted if I noticed that

Comment by yieldcrv 3 hours ago

to clarify, you're suggesting I introduced a strawman argument because your focus on men wasn't mean to exclude anyone else?

that's... interesting. can you instead tell us why you prioritize men's sexuality over others then? or if that's somehow a distortion of what you said too, can you tell us why the focus on men at all?

Comment by mapontosevenths 1 hour ago

> The world would almost assuredly be a better place if 14 year olds were looking at playboy magazines instead of having easy access to every fetish under the sun.

That was the world I grew up in. It was not better, it was just less open.

Comment by bandrami 11 minutes ago

Meta (née Facebook) hired addiction medicine specialists to work on their platform engagement. It wasn't to make teens use their platforms less.

Comment by aprilthird2021 7 minutes ago

But, to be fair, many companies hire organizational psychologists and other such people to make their products addictive and to understand exactly how to make the most money on you and get the most time from you. Even the rewards program at the grocery store near you is tailored in such a way to maximally please you and keep you shopping there

Comment by drivebyhooting 1 hour ago

How can I parent my kids when every child in the school is a social media addict?

If heroin were commonplace and available in every kid’s pockets would parents be to blame then too?

Comment by aucisson_masque 1 hour ago

That's why phone are banned in school in France.

And you can still regulate what your kid does when he's not at school.

Comment by gms 30 minutes ago

I know many parents who manage this fine, I don't see why you can't:

1. You control whether your child has a phone and how much they are allowed to use it (Apple provides all sorts of controls for parents).

2. Every child in the school is not an addict. This is (for lack of a better term) a boomer view of the world.

Comment by usernametaken29 2 hours ago

This assumes parents aren’t doing their job. As a young kid you don’t have a choice. Social pressure to participate in social media is intense. Either you’re constantly online or you’re out. Though luck being a parent policing this, you’ll only make things worse for your kid and your own. Only a mandated curfew can help.

Comment by fivetenpen 4 hours ago

Yes they should, but guess what they’re doing instead? Scrolling.

Engagement algorithm needs to be made illegal.

Comment by bothers 3 hours ago

Every porn site that makes money off harm to minors? Yes, and sometimes they are taken down.

Comment by crowcroft 4 hours ago

I think this is a general misunderstanding of how common law legal systems work.

The extent to which these are or are not generalized is decided by judges based on the merits of individual cases, and while a written law might sound broad the way it's interpreted is up to the accepted precedence.

I suspect a porn site would be ok because it's clearly labelled, and isn't trying to entice kids to engage with it. However if you're social platform deliberately trying to increase engagement with under 18s, and then promoting sexual content to them...

Comment by cromka 4 hours ago

Ah yes, the good old "cigarettes and alcohol should be freely available to kids" lobby logic, like it's the 60s and 70s again.

Comment by consensus1 3 hours ago

Cigarettes and alcohol are freely available to kids

Comment by bluefirebrand 2 hours ago

Not really

Some number of people might make these available to kids, but it's certainly nowhere near "freely"

Comment by techblueberry 4 hours ago

> Should every porn site be taken down?

I mean, I like porn as much as the next guy, but probably yes?

Comment by sneak 4 hours ago

I’m curious the moral basis for which you have appointed yourself more qualified than the adult viewers themselves about what adults should be able to view in their web browser.

Comment by techblueberry 4 hours ago

I find it amusing that you think that anyone trying to declare themselves an authority does so on a moral basis.

Comment by homeonthemtn 4 hours ago

Yes. It's ok to say no to porn and gore. I'm tired of acting like we need it to survive otherwise some dystopian genie will be unleashed. Get rid of that shit.

Comment by musicjerm 2 hours ago

I think a lot of us probably would agree that pornographic content is generally bad for society. I think the hard part here is actually getting rid of it. I think what will end up happening is it moves to a darker part of the web and is completely unregulated. Just look at what happened in the US with illegal drugs. They didn’t just go away, and now we have less safe drugs pretty much freely available laced with fentanyl and other harmful or deadly substances. I know this isn’t exactly the same situation but we should consider what might happen when making something “illegal”.

Comment by esseph 2 hours ago

> I think a lot of us probably would agree that pornographic content is generally bad for society.

Speak for yourself. The science of it seems to be a mixed bag with definite pros and cons.

You're talking about something that is also intrinsic to humanity. It takes no resources. Good luck with that.

Comment by sneak 4 hours ago

You are of course free to not view it. Why do you think that you should decide for others what they should view? How do you know better than they do, what they should or should not be viewing?

Comment by JKCalhoun 3 hours ago

As I got older I began to recognize that some things are just bad for society at large.

My refraining from a thing doesn't fix the societal ill the thing causes.

Comment by qotgalaxy 4 hours ago

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Comment by techblueberry 4 hours ago

> Why do you think that you should decide for others what they should view?

Why not? Some people decide for others on abortion, some driving, some alcohol and drugs. Some people decide how much the government is allowed to steal from us.

Why wouldn’t I think I should decide for others?

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Comment by popalchemist 4 hours ago

They actively spent hundreds of millions of dollars deliberately creating chatbots that would engage in sex acts with minors. It was known to Zuckerberg and approved by him explicitly. That isn't a parenting issue, that is predation at scale.

Comment by skeledrew 3 hours ago

However you put it, the parent (if around) is the closest and most frequent point of contact for any child. A parent doing an OK job would be a reliable resource whom the child can approach with any questions arising from weird "discoveries" online or even in the community. A parent doing a splendid job would proactively educate their child about the world and it's messiness so said child is equipped to confidently handle much of what pops up. A child should be able to recognize and avoid predation when they encounter it.

Comment by dijksterhuis 3 hours ago

you know, i feel like the "it's the parents' responsibility" comments that turn up on submissions like this often tend towards phrasing like "the parents" rather than "with my children i ..."

Comment by cromka 2 hours ago

Agreed. It's the same "where were the parents!" shouting, just phrased differently.

Comment by shimman 3 hours ago

No, society is allowed to decide what is acceptable and what isn't. Acting like trillion dollar corporations do not have a massive influence on American society is borderline mush for brains here.

You basically don't want to punish American corporations, which is just frankly odd. American corporations are some of the most destructive and anti-human organizations on the planet. Being pro-corporation means you have anti-human sentiments, and frankly what are yours? That you think people with poor constitutions or mental acuity deserve to feel mental anguish? Like what is it, just say it and save us time.

Anyone that fights back against a corporation is always seen as a hero for good reason.

Comment by judge2020 5 hours ago

Is there also a sort-of injunction to stop doing x y z? Or is just existing as a social media company a public nuisance?

Comment by tristanj 5 hours ago

From the article:

The company must also enact certain safety features such as limiting the amount of time underage users in the state spend on Facebook and Instagram, hiding by default the number of “likes” on photos for such people and disclosing to users there the risks of its platforms.

For users under 18, Meta will eliminate push notifications during night time (10:00 PM to 7:00 AM) on all days; and from 8:00 AM to 3:00 PM on school days during the academic year. They will also limit the usage of Facebook and Instagram to 90 hours per month.

TBH, these restrictions will just push kids to use Snapchat.

Comment by ElProlactin 4 hours ago

> They will also limit the usage of Facebook and Instagram to 90 hours per month.

When you consider that the average person is awake for somewhere between 450 and 500 hours per month, 90 hours still represents ~20% of waking time.

For comparison, a K-12 student spends 110-140 hours per month at school. So this is still a ridiculous amount of time for anyone to be spending on social media, teen or adult.

Comment by judge2020 4 hours ago

The problem is, what if one of these apps is being used as a messaging app? Hardly social media if most of your usage is just using it to DM friends/family, a la texting.

Parental controls and occasionally sitting down with kids to review social media content together will still always be the correct approach, but it's hard, and the government can't mandate parents take the correct approach when it's so high-friction.

Comment by ElProlactin 50 minutes ago

> Parental controls and occasionally sitting down with kids to review social media content together will still always be the correct approach...

In theory, this sounds reasonable. The problem is that these platforms are inherently toxic. They have been intentionally designed to be addictive and there are so many examples proving that they have operated with no duty of care to protect children.

We wouldn't put free crack vending machines in school cafeterias and tell parents "talk to your kids about their crack use", would we?

We also should acknowledge how insidious the harm of these platforms is. You could keep your kid off of them and he or she could still be the victim of social media bullying.

All efforts to make social media use "safe" will fail unless and until we accept that these platforms are irredeemably flawed and detrimental to human health, mental and physical. They're no different than cigarettes, and probably worse.

Comment by skeledrew 3 hours ago

Lots of messaging apps out there. No need to use one that's connected to a toxic platform.

Comment by troupo 1 hour ago

> The problem is, what if one of these apps is being used as a messaging app?

How is this a problem? We've had messaging apps 24/7 for 15 years. For many millenia we didn't have them, and it was hardly ever a problem.

Comment by judge2020 1 hour ago

Because we removed the physical distance barrier to relationships, no reason to artificially close it now.

Comment by troupo 21 minutes ago

And this has been shown time and again to be quite detrimental. Yes, you have to disconnect. No, disconnecting for a few hours is not a problem just because "these are messaging apps".

Comment by 1vuio0pswjnm7 53 minutes ago

49204301 | NM court orders Meta to pay $567M, make changes for underage users | https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/nm-court-orders-meta-to-pay-5... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49204301

49204500 | New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567M over harms to children's mental health | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/06/new-mexic... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49204500

49204501 | Meta fined $567M in largest child safety ruling against social media giant | https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd7lz3wr2rlo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49204501

49205817 | Meta ordered to pay $567M in New Mexico for teen mental health fund | https://www.reuters.com/world/new-mexico-court-orders-meta-p... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49205817

Comment by majorchord 5 hours ago

I wonder how many billions it would take every year for this to not just be considered "cost of doing business"?

Comment by cadamsdotcom 5 hours ago

This is the "slap on the wrist, don't do it again".

A future judge will not be so kind if they keep doing it.

Being punitive the first time is unwise because it invites abuse by others seeking an advantage.

Comment by nvme0n1p1 4 hours ago

> Being punitive the first time is unwise

I'm not so sure this is the first time. 100th, maybe.

Hmm, idk why the downvotes. Maybe from people who don't know how to use google? Took me 5 seconds to find several more from this year alone.

2026: https://apnews.com/article/meta-court-ruling-mental-health-o...

2026: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/24/meta-new-...

How many more "first times" shall we give them?

Comment by tristanj 2 hours ago

Both of those links are literally about the exact same lawsuit in the submitted article. You just Googled the topic and pasted two sources from other media outlets thinking they were different cases.

Very ironic insulting everyone’s Googling abilities when you didn’t even read your own links...

Comment by nvme0n1p1 2 hours ago

You got me there. I assumed they were different because the damages were different in all 3 links.

In my defense though, they didn't pay, so the court upped the amount. It's still not their "first time". Here, I found this using Google too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_involving_Meta_Platfo...

Comment by ryandrake 2 hours ago

This amounts to about 2 days of revenue. I'm sure they are going to learn their lesson with that kind of a penalty!

Comment by 1vuio0pswjnm7 58 minutes ago

"Meta raised an affirmative defense that it is immune from the States public nuisance claim pursuant to Section 230(c)(1) of the CDA. Defendants Amended Answer and Affirmative Defenses at 65, 17, State ex rel. Torrez v. Meta Platforms, Inc., D-101-CV-2023-02838 (1st Jud. Dist. Ct. Aug. 2, 2024). This Court concludes that Meta is not immune from the public nuisance claim."

https://www.debevoise.com/-/media/files/insights/publication...

https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/CBLR/announc...

https://southerncalifornialawreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2...

https://uclawreview.org/2026/04/03/is-social-media-the-next-...

Comment by carabiner 18 minutes ago

Harm to the world. I seriously believe screen addiction is worse than obesity and opiates but it's so normalized, no one can imagine a world without it.

Comment by mrbluecoat 5 hours ago

Nice to read about, but will be appealed to eternity.

Comment by grokcodec 3 hours ago

just the cost of doing business for these reprobates

Comment by drivebyhooting 5 hours ago

What benefit do kids draw from instagram and facebook?

Comment by gms 26 minutes ago

Socialising. Same benefit I drew from playing video games with my friends when I was in school.

(Though, to be a bit pedantic about it, kids don't use Facebook.)

Comment by SkipperCat 4 hours ago

There's a lot of benefit, but its all to META shareholders...

Comment by sneak 4 hours ago

Well, Instagram DMs have entirely replaced sms and phone number exchange for an entire generation. This is like saying “what benefit do teenagers draw from having a phone line?”

Comment by ozozozd 28 minutes ago

Weird defense, do they not need a phone line for Instagram DMs to work?

Comment by drivebyhooting 3 hours ago

That’s really sad. Locked in a walled garden of vampiric carnivorous plants. And for what? A modicum of convenience?

Comment by shaewest 3 hours ago

Is it really that different from being locked into SMS or Email or Teamspeak or Skype?

I hate using SMS, but I'm forced to due to people I know using it, and it's 'openness' changes nothing for me as the end user.

Comment by drivebyhooting 3 hours ago

Well for one thing SMS isn’t bundled with addictive apps that constantly try to lure you into traps against your better judgement.

Comment by shaewest 1 hour ago

Yeah but SMS is also a paid product in most places, same with phone calls, and data too, but given most places (Schools, your home, work, libraries) pay for wifi, platform provided messaging is free.

Not that the addictive apps are great, but if we're talking locking, it's deciding between 'paying for' and 'receiving for free' with lock in being constant

Comment by lobofta 24 minutes ago

So Signal then. It's donation based and works fine.

Comment by system2 1 hour ago

Meta's market cap is 1,600 times more than the fine.

Their full-year gross income in 2025 was $200.97 billion.

Comment by 93po 51 minutes ago

prison time please

Comment by abstractspoon 3 hours ago

But not actually to modify their algorithms ?

Comment by lol8675309 5 hours ago

sure. can't wait for the checks.

Comment by lorreyfum 3 hours ago

Now how about the adults?

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