I'm Scared a Stranger Will Call My Novel AI, So I Built GitHub for Words
Posted by harper 1 day ago
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Comment by stets 1 day ago
Do you? Just stop caring. I don't think it makes sense to keep asserting that you're an AI vegan in order to please randos. You'll always get hate creating/building anything online. The people that enjoy your work won't care if it's AI or not or they'll believe you.
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Comment by 627467 1 day ago
Because pre-AI, slop didnt exist? At least in the past meaningful criticism involved much more than name calling. I guess criticism slop is a natural progression and matches low effort creative slop. 0 moral higher ground
AI slop accusations are tiring, spammy, and most of the time without any evidence to back it up other than prejudice and bad attitude[0]
[0] https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1163/authenticity-problem
Comment by happytoexplain 12 hours ago
The parent didn't imply that slop didn't exist pre-AI, so that's a purposeful mischaracterization.
The simple fact is that AI absolutely exploded the amount of slop and, at the same time, lends itself to concealing the source of slop. There are other variables too distinguishing the human reaction to AI slop from the human reaction to human slop, but even ignoring that: Just the two things I mentioned, together, mean that, yes, of course, any rational person is going to constantly question (internally or out loud) whether things are genAI. So if "rational" is "good", then yes, the backlash is good.
It's unreasonable to require evidence before even saying that something seems like bad genAI. And it's only a "prejudice" or "bad attitude" if you disagree with the premise (that genAI content is often bad in some way, either intrinsically or practically). Which, fine, make that argument. But that's not the argument you're making.
Comment by skydhash 1 day ago
If it was bad, the hand produced result will also be criticized, but AI tools distort all the signals that let you avoid slop beforehand. No you need to invest time to recognize the slop and that time will not be given back to you.
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Comment by eth0up 1 day ago
I suspect as LLMs evolve, that will disappear.
Edit: "you" = the model, not literally you. Poorly written, pardon.
Comment by TimPC 1 day ago
Comment by Analemma_ 1 day ago
With such a small number of people actually buying new books now, the cohort of angry, vindictive Twitter/Goodreads loudmouths has a lot of power and publishers are terrified of them. "Not caring" about them isn't an option, from a business perspective.
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Comment by claiir 1 day ago
The blog is AI-created—the commits all have “Claude” as a co-author. [1] The “BLOG-WRITING-GUIDE.md” used to write this post gives it away. [2]
And the product the blog is advertising (“VellumProof”)—that website is 100% Claude too. [3]
Perhaps this is some social experiment? Don’t really get it.
[1]: https://github.com/dylanreed/dylan.blog/commit/a7327d0968692...
[2]: https://github.com/dylanreed/dylan.blog/blob/main/docs/BLOG-...
Comment by saaaaaam 1 day ago
And if you’re writing seriously you’ll know that your first draft often bears no resemblance whatsoever to your final draft. Different character names, different structure, different style, different tone.
You may well have a whole bunch of things that seem completely different and a whole load of fragments that are written revised, scrapped, unscrapped, re-revised, stitched together, pulled apart and then finally assembled into a working draft.
I’m not sure how soemthing that basically counts your words and (maybe) proves you’re not using AI helps with a typical sprawling novel plan.
Comment by stenmorten 1 day ago
This is just fear of rejection, in productivity-clothing.
The only way to publish, or to get published, is to put yourself out there.
You risk rejection and ridicule. But life is not a spectator sport.
Comment by 3dedb728-3f77 1 day ago
It is not that it is bad prose, it is that we read it everywhere.
We got LLM prose fatigue.
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Comment by dandersch 1 day ago
I don't think AI can create convincing timelapses of digital art being made, yet. I know there is nothing stopping it from getting there, but I think artists are happy for any kind of proof-of-work they can produce right now.
Comment by nitwit005 1 day ago
Including a research paper from a few years back: https://inversepainting.github.io/
Edit: Actually hadn't thought of fake building construction timelapses, and apparently that's also a thing.
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Comment by epiccoleman 1 day ago
I just don't really buy that the set of people who care about that will be big enough for artists to care about signing up for some kind of provenance-tracking regime. Obviously there will be some people in that category on both sides, but I think it'll be niche. I have a hard time imagining Taylor Swift or Drake or whoever is going to start blockchaining their songwriting so that no one can say they used AI. It won't be a big enough segment of their market to care.
(and in fact, the first time Taylor Swift does some big AI-generated video or whatever, all of a sudden a whole bunch of people will suddenly decide they're cool with it)
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Comment by nonameiguess 1 day ago
Though I don't personally believe this, consider the most widely-read book in the history of western civilization still has contested authorship, with many if not most readers convinced God himself dictated the words to the humans who wrote it down. We have no way to prove or disprove that.
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Comment by Keeeeeeeks 1 day ago
Then you can upload that to a private repo after each session.
Otherwise people make a program an agent can use to type and retype whole sections like a person
Comment by hyperhello 1 day ago
If your work is being confused with AI, think about why. I never confused Trevanian and Martin Amis and Roald Dahl with AI.
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Comment by spookymutation 1 day ago
And yet the author does not seem to be forthright about their use of LLMs to write their "author website", blog posts, Vellum"P"roof website, and presumably Vellum"p"roof (capitalization stylized differently on the website and blog) itself.
> Your prose is never fed to an AI, never used to train a model, and never handed to anyone else.
And yet their is a distinct lack of a TOS/etc. codifying this promise. The site does accept payments via Stripe. This almost seems satirical.
Comment by legacynl 1 day ago
Also: * No dashes before the 'its not vibe coding post' (or very rare), afterwards lots of dashes. * All pixel art images are AI generated.
Comment by JoshTriplett 1 day ago
Em-dashes have a long literary history, which is where AI got them from, and they're genuinely useful in writing. We shouldn't let LLMs ruin that for us in literature. The fact that they've historically been less common in online writing is in part because of deficiencies in input systems, though they're easy enough to type with a compose key or similar, or a typesetting system that interprets `---` as `—`.
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Comment by legacynl 1 day ago
> We shouldn't let LLMs ruin that for us in literature.
First off all, this is a blog post, not literature. Second of all, the cat is already out of the bag on that one. People already associate it with LLMs, no blogpost is going to change that.
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Comment by vunderba 1 day ago
No shade but it feels slightly Michael Scott-level of self-awareness on a post all about securing one's artistic integrity.
[1] - https://cdn.uploads.micro.blog/191463/2026/courtroom-scene-n...
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Comment by phil21 1 day ago
All AI did was accelerate the generation of slop so that bit is interesting to discuss and ponder. It's simultaneously uninteresting to complain about a given piece of work. Either it stands on its own merits or does not. If something sucks, I don't care if it sucked because the human did a poor job at it or they lazily used AI. The output is the same to me and all that really matters.
I think what really is being exposed here is that so much human generated content before AI use became widespread was slop in of itself. We were just supposed to somehow be fine with it because "effort" might have gone into creating said slop. Nope. Talent matters.
The same goes for all the folks complaining about AI generated concert/event posters around where I live. While I can typically discern an AI generated one vs. a human made one - the fact is they all are within a very close quality range to me. This was already low-value slop work most "designers" simply slapped together copying the same basic template. Perfect use for AI imo, since it simply replaced already low-effort work no one actually cared about until they were told to with something far more efficient. It lets the humans who commissioned such pieces do actual work on concert promotion and such vs. multiple hours/days of back and forth with a graphic designer for roughly the same quality output.
Now that people are paying attention, the high effort artistic pieces in the category stand out immediately. TBD if anyone actually cares and if this shows up in better event attendance.
The final output is what matters. I do not care one lick over how it was achieved, what creative process someone follows, or what tools they use. I don't care that some movie director has an artisanal old-school editing process where they glue physical film together for their cuts. I care about how good the movie is, and if that is their process - awesome! I'm happy for them! If some other director uses a digital means to do the same and cuts down their editing time by 80% I really do not care and I'm happy for them too!
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Comment by WCSTombs 1 day ago
Uh, this isn't true, though? I squash commits all the time locally before I publish them. There can be many reasons for that, but at the end of the day, I'm not obligated to share my messy revision history with the world. In the most extreme case, the first commit on one of my projects spans multiple years of development because it was forked from another project that's now pretty irrelevant to it. On the other hand, I've received pull requests that were a couple dozen lines and were definitely LLM-authored.
As sort of a counterpoint to the author's goals, IMO the community should extend the benefit of the doubt to writers and artists who explicitly say they don't use AI, because it's just really hard to prove that you're not using AI. Trying to force any kind of system will inevitably affect the quality of what you make, and the art community should not want that.
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Comment by eth0up 1 day ago
Edit: The above said, I am seeing in my own writing, artifacts from my interactions with AI. I am proof that, in some cases, AI can be contagious.
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Comment by arjie 1 day ago
> The words are the crime scene, not the alibi.
If the latter, it must suck haha. It reminds me of the fact that I used to wear masks when I had a cold so that I could do things with my friends like help them move or whatever without risking them getting sick. But then one day, a pandemic arrived, and wearing a mask was a political decision. Now if I do, I'm making a political statement unintentionally! Tragic, but it can't be helped.
Regardless, I see why they feel the need to make this service. Their post gets hard-flagged by Pangram haha.
Comment by happytoexplain 1 day ago
A lot of LLM writing is truly bad - but a lot of it is also just interpreted as an LLM style because of repetition, not because it is inherently bad.
Comment by pmg101 1 day ago
My guess is the author either
1. Deliberately used LLM tics in their prose, for artistic and provocative reasons, or 2. Used AI
It's quite interesting to reflect on.
Comment by _dwt 1 day ago
I'm a self-confessed AI hater and yet I agree with the "just write your thing" people on this one. I've watched this play out on Substack and I think there's a mix of a) people genuinely scared of what I believe to be very rare false positives from automatic detection, b) people who use AI (but claim otherwise) trying to use group (a) as cover to argue against automatic detection, and c) the hoi polloi throwing rotting fruit at anyone who uses an em dash.
You can safely ignore group (c); they aren't going to be your people even with a fully-attested human changelog witnessed by the Pope and encoded on the blockchain. Group (b) are basically grifters and also to be ignored. Group (a)'s concerns are valid but in the large I don't see a lot of "grey area" writing online; I see a lot of obvious slop. (Possibly the well-done AI assistance goes unnoticed by me, in which case - philosophical concerns aside - I can only think of the old XKCD comic about spam bots - mission accomplished? I don't think so, though.)
Back to the OP, I didn't really understand the "meet the enemy" section - did that experiment go anywhere? My results from trying to see if even frontier models can capture voice, style, philosophy from my own technical writing corpus have been terrible to laughable at best.
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Comment by bigyabai 1 day ago
Kinda seems like both "sides" are losing.