The First Idempotency Key
Posted by abelanger 6 days ago
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Comment by reactordev 1 day ago
In situations where it’s fire and forget, like payments, it’s fine to generate a deterministic key from the requesters side. In situations where transactions or escrow is in play, it’s best to request from the service so the service can orchestrate.
But I’m not a CTO, just an engineer. I can’t spin bad decisions into “features” like they can. Or small novel fixes as profound advances to the industry.
Comment by saltcured 1 day ago
The pigeon-hole principle isn't an instruction guide for birds, it just describes the reality of occupancy. An egg-tooth keeps pecking, escaping at most one egg. A dog may circle, but occupies at most one bed.
The real value of idempotence is being truly end-to-end. It is about the final effect being controlled, rather than about some message hop in the middle. In my opinion, the impulse to isolate it to a messaging layer is often misguided. It presupposes that the other layers don't also have similar failure modes.
It makes for a more robust system when you can elicit the desired idempotence from natural keys and occupancy rules. For example, the way REST can make creation idempotent when the name can be established ahead of the creation request, or deletion is idempotent when names are not reused.
Comment by nivertech 1 day ago
- stamp every initial request / domain event with the UUID (idempotency key)
- use client-side IDs instead of using server-generated ones with RETURNING
- use PUT instead of POST
- use UPSERTs
- etc.
IMO, you migh as well use CQRS/ES which is a natural evolution of this idea of modeling the physical reality rather than trying to reduce it to CRUD/L
Here, we can draw an analogy between natural hedging and financial hedging (derivatives). Natural hedging requires planning, preparation, and hard work, and even that doesn't cover every scenario, but it's cheap. With derivatives, you pay someone else to take care of it. The other party may not even understand the underlying asset, but they have quant models (a technical solution)
RE: the question about the first mentions of idempotency keys, IMO cryptographic nonces (numbers used only once) are somewhat related. Idempotency keys are used to facilitate message replay, while nonces are used to prevent replay. But the basic idea is similar
Comment by saltcured 20 hours ago
A similar analogy is how 2-phase commit protocols enact (virtual) escrow.
Comment by nivertech 20 hours ago
The dichotomy is generic vs custom/bespoke:
- generic (CRUD / REST / RDBMS+SQL+ACID Tx / Tx Scripts / 2PC / BPMN / Admin UIs) - also SmartUIs/Fat Clients (VB, Delphi, SPAs, etc.)
vs
- custom (DDD / CQRS/ES / Sagas / Process Managers / Durable Executions / TBUI)
Also, learning data engineering and BI helps one better model the real world than generic methods. It's somewhat similar to CQRS/ES, but with much more prior art
Comment by jonhohle 1 day ago
I don’t have access to the Atlantic, but I’d probably throw Cracker Barrel’s biscuits and cornbread in there, but I suppose those aren’t free.
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