Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless
Posted by SXX 14 hours ago
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Comment by muse900 12 hours ago
No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free)
I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though.
So in that situation, I want nothing to do with your website or app, because I wouldn’t able to park.
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It's so hard to build anything big and durable because they've created these steep gradients.
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Lot of people need to look in the mirror on this one - from programmers to execs.
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When I was in Italy last summer, I couldn't figure out how to pay with my card at the machine in a small town, where you'd park to walk into an ancient city on a hill*. I asked two Italian woman for help and even with being able to read the Italian + having paid with coins themselves, they struggled to help me understand the combination of steps required to pay with card.
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They were literally trained not to value their privacy. The first generation of ipad kids now have driver's licenses.
Comment by mingus88 8 hours ago
I’m quite content having grown up without being always online. The childhood I had where what I did between school time and when my parents expected me home for dinner were mine alone. Every event was not recorded by 50+ cameras with bad seats and posted online for nobody to watch.
A truly excellent time to be alive that I doubt we will see again
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Note that sometimes the risk is low, and changing your plate is cheaper if you do get a fine...
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The settlement in court was - you got I believe a $1.00 coupon to use parkmobile again - but you could only use .50 towards each transaction
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create a burner for when ‘not always applicable unfortunately’
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- the apps almost always allow you to remotely increase your stay - the apps almost always allow you to pay by the exact minute instead of by the quarter/half an hour
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> If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.
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(I might be misremembering but they definitely require a valid something now, as I found out a while back creating a new batch of accounts to rotate)
Comment by SV_BubbleTime 12 hours ago
I want that company devalued and bought by Verizon or AOL to die a Yahoo death.
What is insane to me is how few people realize their stock has a higher P/E than nVidia… and it isn’t because of some bullshit minor AI data deals. It’s a youth-forward narrative machine, and everyone knows it.
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If the future's your oyster for what happens to Reddit, why stop there? If it's bought by somebody, that implies that Spez gets an amount of money that is greater than $0.00. Ideally, we avoid such a grim and unjust outcome. We want it to be made effectively worthless so he goes broke.
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As of about six months ago, AT&T's web site would not accept email addresses without a three-character TLD. I had to get a customer service person on the phone to manually change my address.
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And of course after registering with foo+bar@example.com they will happily send invoices to bar@example.com
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Standards only matter to nerds like us.
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Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
Nothing of it solves privacy though.
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So...
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Comment by x0x0 12 hours ago
Private emails regularly lead to awful customer service interactions because people cannot tell us the email they used to register. Fastmail at least is off the beaten path enough that people probably can understand. Apple, especially using sign in with Apple, is horrid. And not just people unable to tell us the email; they then create multiple accounts; try to sign in on web and use their actual email and then have 2 accounts and flip shit that their stuff is gone; etc. Oh, and regularly blame us for their confusion.
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I'm curious (and not trolling by asking) what a solution might be since email has been used as a unique account identifier for so long it is hard for my brain to think of another option at the moment.
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Comment by danudey 11 hours ago
It's not a fake e-mail, it's a legitimate e-mail that you can send e-mail to and the user will receive, which has to be created by a paying iCloud user and not an anonymous rando off the internet.
I'd be interested to know what downsides, if any, you see for a website to accept a private e-mail address like this. Do you have a legitimate complaint about these sorts of e-mails? Again, given that private relay isn't an 'anonymous e-mail service' (it's still tied to your iCloud account so spam, etc. shouldn't be any more of an issue) but merely an 'anonymous to the person you're giving the e-mail to' service.
If your actual complaint is 'if you insist on giving me an e-mail that you can revoke unilaterally making me unable to contact you against your wishes, and which cannot be associated with other user data from other sources to build a profile of you, then you're not worth having as a customer' then that's a separate complaint - and one that means I want nothing to do with your website.
Comment by hamdingers 11 hours ago
I'm running a business where I need to know who you are, because my platform can be used defraud other people. If you're trying to hide who you are from our very first interaction, that's a massive red flag.
If you can trivially create hundreds of these emails, and fill in the rest of the required info with bought/stolen/generated PII, now I have a vector for mass fraud. Requiring you to use a recognized non-anonymized provider doesn't stop you, but it sure does slow you down. (It's not this simple of course, but all security works in layers)
If these terms are not acceptable to you, then great! Don't use the website, there's no need to be salty because that's what you said you wanted. Isn't it?
I don't mind either, because the number of legitimate users who are bothered by this restriction is infinitesimal compared to the number of fraudsters who would take advantage if it wasn't in place. It can be difficult to comprehend the scale of platform fraud unless you've worked in this area, many days fraudulent signups outnumber legitimate ones.
Comment by FireBeyond 9 hours ago
You conflate email with identity, just like the media companies conflated IP addresses.
It's not hiding who you are, it's hiding my real email address behind a mask that you can't choose to sell off to marketers, or spam yourself, or otherwise profit off, regardless of the nature of our relationship - I've got plenty of spam emails from companies that I closed accounts with, thus severing our relationship.
> If you can trivially create hundreds of these emails, and fill in the rest of the required info with bought/stolen/generated PII, now I have a vector for mass fraud. Requiring you to use a recognized non-anonymized provider doesn't stop you, but it sure does slow you down. (It's not this simple of course, but all security works in layers)
It's not that simple, but I guarantee it doesn't remotely slow anyone down, not at the scales we're talking. Maybe if you're talking one entity and tens or hundreds of thousands of accounts, but it's laughably naive to believe that such a person who is set up to conduct "mass fraud" can't create 100 Gmail/Outlook/iCloud email addresses a day, if not an hour, with near zero effort (it's not like they're committing "mass fraud" by hand, after all).
Comment by hamdingers 8 hours ago
I have watched the rate go down and stay down on real live dashboards.
> Maybe if you're talking one entity and tens or hundreds of thousands of accounts
We are.
I'm not so rude as to call you "laughably naive" but I am speaking from experience and you appear to be considering a hypothetical.
Comment by iamnothere 10 hours ago
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Comment by iamnothere 10 hours ago
I have been willing to do KYC for services (usually financial) without giving out my main email. Services that put up too many barriers to this don’t get my business. I concede that there aren’t that many users like me, compared to the general public, but I’m a legitimate user.
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Comment by anonymous908213 9 hours ago
I'm curious, though:
> choosing to participate anonymously
Why are your name, e-mail address, and phone number not on your profile? Are you using HN with the intent to commit fraud?
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Comment by anonymous908213 8 hours ago
> If you insist on giving me a fake email, your business is probably a liability I don't want anyway.
They did not provide any meaningful insight into the field, they are simply insisting that e-mail addresses should be a tool for personal identification because it saves them money over doing real KYC. In other words, they believe KYC should be slanted further in favor of corporations and against customers, such that KYC is publicly available for free, because they value not doing the work of verification over humans having any privacy whatsoever.
As they are entitled to post their opinion on humans having no privacy rights, I am entitled to post mine and point out the hypocrisy of them choosing to participate in this forum privately while advocating for and boasting about denying service to other people who attempt to protect their privacy.
Comment by AlexandrB 6 hours ago
If you're trying to collect personal information that's none of your business from the very first interaction, that's a massive red flag. Like how many data leaks and customer data exposures is it going to take to understand that the data I'm giving you is a liability for me? How much spam am I expected to put up with because you give my data to a "data broker" for one reason or another? Why should I trust anything you say regarding how you will handle my data after all the embarrassing fuck-ups over the years? What is your liability if you mishandle my data, is it approximately $0? Do you have an arbitration clause in your TOS so I can't even sue you when you screw up?
There's zero responsibility from the tech industry for their continued failures in this regard and then you have the temerity to lecture me about my "red flag"? Seriously?
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Comment by Marsymars 10 hours ago
When an organization invariably leaks my email and I start receiving spam to it, I generate a new one, update my email on record, deactivate the old one, and the spam stops.
Comment by rpdillon 7 hours ago
Its a real address that I can use to monitor your behavior, since businesses send so much damn spam.
Been using them for 25 years, not gonna stop any time soon.
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Comment by jawiggins 13 hours ago
Part of the reason to use Hide My Email was that it made keeping myself private hassle-free. Making a system to pre-generate values and then catalog them for later use is quite the hassle.
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Comment by treesknees 9 hours ago
What you’d lose is the reply-to forwarding feature.
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Comment by vitally3643 10 hours ago
As far as I can tell, nobody blocks it. Google sometimes rejects emails where the from address doesn't match the real sending address, which is fair.
I guess the first couple of years were rocky, I hadn't figured out DKIM and SPF and all the other blood rituals yet. Back then I got blocked by Steam and banks. But ever since I set up the correct security it's been fine. Been my primary email for a long long time. All my online accounts are tied to it.
Incidentally, I also have free and unlimited aliases. But I don't usually bother because I have a rule to route all messages to unknown addresses into a special folder. I can give out any random address at my domain and it will always make it back to me. So much more convenient than logging into the website to generate an alias.
Comment by bb88 9 hours ago
The biggest issue was if your ip address got listed in a RBL (Realtime Blackhole List), and then nobody would talk to you. Some were easy to get off, others were permanent blocks, and I found those to be constantly interfering with the delivery of mail. At least the rejection would usually tell you which RBL blocked you.
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Weibo, Sina you get "Failed registration (mail not supported)" if you enter non-major provider. In china nearly everyone is using qq, 163, 126, sina. Probably >99%
Comment by ranger_danger 5 hours ago
Most of those services (mixi was one in particular I remember doing this) stopped this practice close to 20 years ago though, but some still remain.
I think it was partly due to the "Galapagos phone" era of pre-smartphones, where each carrier used slightly different mobile web standards (think WAP and custom emoji).
Here is a current help page for Mitsubishi UFJ bank that lists approved domains for both desktop and mobile use: https://faq.cr.mufg.jp/mufgcard/detail?id=4402
Here is a user complaining (with screenshot) that the mail magazine for tabelog only supports mobile provider email domains: https://king.mineo.jp/reports/13368
Another recent one is the login page for gravity.place has a dropdown for country codes (for mobile login) with only 6 options.
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MX->A->PTR->A->MX
SPF
DKIM
DMARC
mta-sts - DNS and webpage
Also your IPs must be squeaky bum clean, ideally for several years. DNSSEC might help too. In the UK getting as far as DKIM is usually enough (plus clean IPs, even FTTC connections will work if static).Comment by ranger_danger 5 hours ago
> Allowed domains are: gmail.com, hotmail.com, yahoo.com, proton.me, protonmail.com, outlook.com, live.com, icloud.com, yandex.com, tutanota.com, tutamail.com, tuta.io
Comment by thfuran 11 hours ago
I have never encountered one.
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Comment by Hnrobert42 11 hours ago
But I have only had maybe 3 services ever reject my domain, and those were because the domain contains a number.
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I have since stopped doing this out of fear that it will actually cause me more headaches with people/systems that don't understand how email works.
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What a load of pedantry.
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Comment by jbverschoor 9 hours ago
Plenty of providers, but perhaps Apple needs to be forced to open up hide-my-email-providers for others.
Only the EU is capable of doing such thing
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Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
iCloud+ was the best $1 / month custom domain email and email alias service with 100GB of E2EE cloud drive.
Obviously it will be sad to see it enshittified for seemingly no reason.
Comment by sneak 3 hours ago
This allows Apple to see which sets of users share unique Winnie the Pooh memes. They know who had them first, who they sent them to, and when.
The E2EE is useless with such unencrypted metadata leaks.
Comment by SXX 2 hours ago
Fortunately changing Apple account country is as easy as buying US gift card on Amazon and unlike Google they dont mess with account location.
As about encryption I totally agree its pretty meh, but again it's not why I paid my $1.
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We've had to ask you many times to stop breaking the site guidelines. If you keep doing it, we'll end up having to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so please fix this. It shouldn't be hard to make your substantive points without being an asshole.
Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
Problem is that using of own domain is creating huge privacy and cybersecurity risk since you can track all the person profiles across all the databases ever leaked.
Its nice as vanity item, but it's better not to use same domain across banks, online forums and porn sites. ;-)
Comment by chucksmash 11 hours ago
2. Use the domain exclusively for hosting your own mail, but create a fake account creation page that just temporarily doesn't work.
3. As an added bonus, should you one day get a subpoena for information about one of your site user's online activities, you've got like a 24 hour head start on fleeing the country.
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1. Services those emails are used with cannot unilaterally send email to them. They must pre-register how they will send email to them, which breaks services with third-party relationships such as online retail with payment processors or shipping companies.
Users don't like not receiving shipping notifications, and users don't like not seeing invoices or at worst missing bills and going into debt because the payment processor can't contact them.
2. Users signing up for services struggle to re-use accounts. If the account is identified by email, as most are, figuring out the private email used when you signed up on your iPhone, when you later try to sign in on the web, basically impossible for your average user. Users end up with mulitple accounts, likely one on their real email anyway, and it's a support nightmare for both the user and the service provider.
Does this increase user privacy? Yes. Does it increase user control? Sure I guess. But it does so at the cost of basic UX and service expectations, and likely makes the overall experience and control worse for users in many cases.
So why is this change being made? My take is that it's so that it's easier for services to exclude Hide My Email sign-ups. That way the bad UX is gone, and the service provider looks like the bad guy rather than Apple.
Comment by vanchor3 5 hours ago
You're talking about "Sign in with Apple" email addresses here, not Hide My Email. Anyone can send to Hide My Email addresses.
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I have been a happy Hide My Email user for years. This is simply not a problem, and even for normies it's no more a problem than "can't remember password at all".
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Comment by cavoirom 2 hours ago
- Label Hide My Email with the service name I registered with it. Add number or nickname if I have multiple accounts on that service. - Add an email rules to move the email addressed to that Hide My Email addressuu to a separate inbox. - Use the same label in password manager, also save the email to the password manage entry.
Comment by jonotime 11 hours ago
nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail
anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail
You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.
Comment by shoo_pl 11 hours ago
Also, another downside is that you will loose privacy by using your own domain.
And the lack of privacy makes targeted scam/phishing more likely, and targeted scam is the one we are most susceptible to.
All in all, I am not saying this is bad idea, in fact I am doing it myself, just pointing out this is not so black and white.
Using iCloud solves those problems, but puts you at risk of getting your account banned and loosing access to those emails, so there is that.
Probably best way to deal with it is to get dedicated email domain with a bunch of your friends, and hook it up with something like SimpleLogin. But that's gets complicated quickly ;)
Comment by jonotime 11 hours ago
If you are worried about privacy, get a domain just for this. Use domain privacy and dont host other things there.
Yes, some sites whitelist domains or dont allow subdomains. For those I'll use another account - or a firefox alias or something. But 9 out of 10 work fine.
I am not a fan of alias services since materializing names takes discipline. How many do you make? Maybe there is a limit of 50. When do you share them across services? My guess is many people just create 2 or 3 aliases they use for everything - which defeats the purpose. Sure, it masks your personal address, but once one gets compromised, you find it basically served as your personal address anyway.
I also dont really keep track of most of the names I use. Since most are one time things that I would never use again, like to sign a waiver or something. But I mostly stick to '{domain}@' for the names. So my nytimes account would just be nytimes@, which is predictable when I need to recover it. I used to use addy.io for this, but it was not as good since it had account limits and I had to manually manage every alias. Much easier for me to just create a mail filter to sinkhole an old name. Of course I have never really needed to do this anyway.
Comment by pseudalopex 9 hours ago
Someone I knew did this. Spammers used lists of common names.
Comment by cube00 11 hours ago
However be warned some surprisingly large websites don't support subdomains, for example eBay will silently send user@sub.domain.tld to user@domain.tld and you'll only figure it out by looking at your server logs for rejected mail.
In those cases I have to specifically alias that username@domain.tld to the subdomain.
With this new Apple privacy subdomain maybe eBay will finally fix this.
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Comment by drnick1 9 hours ago
Not really no. You can absolutely create a domain using bogus WHOIS information. No one will bat an eyelid.
Comment by drdexebtjl 5 hours ago
The privacy preserving aspect of hide-my-email services is the fact that they have thousands of users using the same domain name.
[1]: This is trivial if you have a service's email database leak. You just find all domains that have exactly one user. If the service targets individuals (who would sign up with personal emails, not work emails) and is reasonably popular, you'll get a pretty good list of single-user domains.
Comment by driverdan 9 hours ago
It's a non-issue. I've been using a catch all domain for at least a decade. I get a small amount of spam to random made up emails but not enough to care about plus it all gets caught and filtered.
Comment by themafia 8 hours ago
So, it's a piece of cake to add "{random}@example.com" to the block list. Usually it's something like "msg-bestbuy@example.com".
Comment by switz 11 hours ago
But the people usually just nod along.
The other downside is that it's forward-in only, wish I could proxy responses without setting up a whole new inbox (and outbox).
Comment by cube00 11 hours ago
I had one small business aggressively threaten me that they fully owned their business name and I wasn't allowed to use it in my email address.
My solution was to keep my wonderful aliases and dump them. If a business is concerned but nice about it I'll offer an alternative such as plumber@
> The other downside is that it's forward-in only, wish I could proxy responses without setting up a whole new inbox (and outbox).
If you have your own domain most mail providers don't care what username@ you use on your sent mail so you shouldn't need any additional mailboxes (especially if they already offer inbound catch all)
I also use the ReplayAsOriginalRecipientUp [1] extension in Thunderbird which takes the recipient address and puts it as the sender for ongoing communication.
[1]: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/reply...
Comment by Marsymars 10 hours ago
I haven't had that, but before I switched to Hide My Email I've had many businesses ask if I was an employee of the business - many people don't intuit the difference between john@bank.com and bank@john.com.
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I was once on the phone with german insurance provider and they dictateted me email to send documents to: kundenbetreuung@passportcard.de
I dont speak German so it was both tough and funny EuroTrip-like moment.
Yes its really email they use.
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But to the point of forward-in-only -- I use the fastmail web client and iOS client. Both of these respond using the Masked Email address if you choose to respond to an email. In fact I can choose any of my masked email addressed as I am composing mail to initial communication from that address.
In short, "it just works". I really can't say enough good things about Fastmail!
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But keep good records!!
It gets really awkward when you’re trying to recover an account and can’t remember what custom email you used.
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If you try to sign up with a domain they don't support, they tell you something like "please use a popular email provider like gmail"
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Comment by mortenjorck 13 hours ago
Could someone clarify why having Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email on the same domain would make a blanket ban easier rather than harder? What am I missing?
Comment by w10-1 13 hours ago
Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com", so it will be easy to ban the generated/private email that reduces the ability to associate logins across services.
Unclear why Apple would shoot themselves in this way; I hope it's not Ternus complying with anti-privacy.
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https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/use-hide-my-email-in-...
I think I've also seen this in Mail.app but that's not shown on this page.
Comment by SXX 11 hours ago
UPD: apperently this supposedly only work if someone message you first. So you still cant spam from aliases.
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Comment by Grombobulous 7 hours ago
But otherwise, you're right, any website that wants to accept Sign in with Apple will almost certainly be agreeing to Apple's TOS for Sign in with Apple I presume will stop you from blocking this service.
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I've been in the ecosystem long enough to have .iCloud.com, .me, .mobileme.com, iTunes.com, and probably one or two more addresses all assigned by various Apple services over the years before they started unifying the systems.
They all work, and independently of one another.
I wonder if all the domains will be migrated, and how namespace collisions will be handled.
Comment by SXX 11 hours ago
> Existing addresses on the legacy domains will continue to work and forward mail to users without interruption.
Comment by gobip 12 hours ago
It's like blocking anondaddy, simplelogin etc but not protonmail.
Comment by BoorishBears 13 hours ago
You were always able to reserve a normal icloud email address just like you would a GMail account, so banning all icloud email addresses would be banning non-alias Apple customers
That being said, I'm not convinced anyone who wanted to ban aliases couldn't have already. The alias emails look weird enough I'm guessing you could ban them with few false positives.
Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
While this is true not all of them been weird. Some can be just word + number + word without dots or underscores.
Also blanket banning whole domains is just much easier and already done for temporary emails. No false positives.
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When you own your own domain, the switching cost between providers is small. You can make a dedicated domain just for aliases
Both SimpleLogin and Fastmail have excellent integration with password managers as well
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> In what universe if you stop paying for a service you can still access the resources of that service? Basic common knowledge.
But on MacRumors:
“Update: So I let my iCloud+ account expire.
When this happens you lose access to managing ALL your Hide My Email emails. Yet you can't even see what the Hide My Email addresses are any longer.
But, people can still send emails to those emails. However, you apparently cannot reply to the emails with the Hide My Email address.
This is troubling...”
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-happens-to-hide-my...Comment by SXX 11 hours ago
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Comment by KomoD 10 hours ago
I use this wonderful extension to make it easy to generate aliases https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/icloud-hide-my-emai...
Comment by Grombobulous 7 hours ago
If I need to make an account with someone I don't trust enough to hand my email over to, usually the right answer is to just not create an account with them.
I have also tried things like having email aliases but what ends up happening is now I have more email accounts aliases to maintain/think about. It's annoying.
I don't personally find the prospect of "receiving spam email" or "having my email account leaked in a hack" to be particularly threatening. Spam just goes to the spam box, it's usually not my problem.
And besides, my real email can get exposed by my own legitimate companies that really should have my real email getting hacked. See also: EquiFax.
Comment by Cider9986 12 hours ago
heave_balks_0g@icloud.com
It shouldn't matter for the sign in with apple because sites are already expressly supporting that.
Email aliasing is hard because you want privacy from a herd of users, but then you're locked into that ecosystem versus a domain you control has no herd, but the upside is no lock-in.
Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
viods01crew@icloud.com
methyl.brick1h@icloud.com
In any case fact that some services banned alies is not the reason to make them completely useless instead of making them better.Apple is one of few companies that ia able to push for this with market share.
Comment by tehwebguy 12 hours ago
They already DO do it, I don't know how they're currently determining it
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Btw I only use these aliases for sites where I don't mind loosing the login, otherwise it would the mother of all lock-ins... Would have been nice if I could opt for aliases on my own (secondary?) domain... At least then I could still move them (using wildcards or some exported list).
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Mail sent to t20260617@foon.uk will reach me, but only for today.
So, any time I'm giving away my email address against my will, which is most of the time, they get to spam me for exactly one day.
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They already require that you use Sign in with Apple, I would think that it working fully is also a requirement?
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Comment by pseudalopex 9 hours ago
They require apps offer a service which meets their privacy requirements if they use any 3rd party or social login service.[1] And apps could block private.icloud.com for email and not Sign in with Apple.
[1] https://9to5mac.com/2024/01/27/sign-in-with-apple-rules-app-...
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Comment by 9dev 12 hours ago
Now Hide My Email allowed you to do just that: Create an account with an email that wasn't tied to your identity, and that you could just decommission if you didn't need it anymore. Sites had no way to detect these either, because all of the randomly generated addresses Apple provided you with just ended in @icloud.com, which is also used by tons of regular accounts - so if you blocked this domain, you'd invariably preclude millions of people from your service.
But by separating the domains, sites can simply add private.icloud.com to their trash mail blocklist, preventing the use of Hide My Email, while regular @iCloud.com addresses will continue to work. It makes the entire service useless at once.
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That random online shop you order something from once? The IT forum that only shows external links for signed-in users? The whacky new AI tool you want to try out? The startup "sign up for updates" newsletter box? None of these offer Sign in with Apple. For all of them Hide My Email avoids having to disclose your real email address. This is broken now.
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A good example of a throwaway email that is now useless because of these blocks is mailinator.com. Originally, you could just make up a random email on the spot like gregsrightfoot@mailinator.com, visit mailinator.com, and get the needed signup verification email. These services autodeleted messages and required no signup so they were a black hole for spam. However websites eventually got wise that their spam wasn’t being seen and started blocking the domain. Mailinator came up with alternative domains and there was a brief back and forth before the throwaway email domains all ended up being blocked.
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I sure wish 1Password + Fastmail would let you generate them within the 1Password app without requiring a browser sign-up page in the middle.
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Fastmail also has wonderful random email functionality you can link up to your Bitwarden client or use the Fastmail API.
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Comment by risyachka 12 hours ago
The addresses are pre-allocated and recycled when deleted so creating a new one is faster that with Apple's hide my mail.
Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
I personally doing catch-all already, but problem is that using your own domain for website registration basically gives everyone unique id to eaaily connect all the information that ever been leaked for your accounts and something always gets leaked.
Not a very good idea for privacy.
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Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
But yeah it mostly opposite problem I would say - spam filters eat usefull stuff sometimes. Just today I found one more job related email in spam, but its from public mailbox damn.
Privacy is kind a bigger issue and having aliases on icloud is just much more convinient than having 10 accounts.
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Comment by SXX 12 hours ago
And might be there just no one remain as owner of feature to explain them why its bad idea.
Comment by Razengan 12 hours ago
It's actually useful compared to Gmail's useless "yourrealaddress+alais" that gives away your actual email anyway, and it helped me catch quite a few spammers/data sellers.
Hide My Email addresses already have a peculiar format that others could guess, and some do block those, and there's no reason to add a blatant "private." tag.
This is a win for privacy-intruders, not users, just like Apple's iCloud Keychain API that has allowed Facebook, TikTok etc. to secretly track users across multiple devices and device reinstalls for years.
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The days before security sure were quaint!
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https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/16/apple-plans-to-change-its-...
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