Paul Graham Is Strawmanning the Left's Argument Against Billionaires
Posted by tonyonodi 1 day ago
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Comment by fsuts 23 hours ago
Starting a successful startup is the most common way to become a billionaire, so in effect I've spent the last 21 years training people to become billionaires. So far about 30 of them have,”
So in 21 years and 6500 companies (and turning away multiples more) he has seen 30 billionaires.
Now if you take some examples:
Zuckerberg stole the idea and then pushed his cofounder out
Uber drivers were recruited without sufficient vetting and committed crimes inc rape of women
Tesla put out self driving that led to deaths
And so on
I’ve previously worked for a company owned by the founder who became a billionaire at around 60 and he started the company in 20s and it was a solid company that looked after the employees and customers.
He could have been a billionaire much faster if he had been a scumbag
Comment by scotty79 20 hours ago
People who are billionaires now are people who were lucky enought to get on top of the baloons that actually flew and continue to self-inflate and stayed there while pushing everybody else off of them.
If the process of balloon selection wasn't mostly random, pg would have help found 30 conpanies instead of 6500.
Comment by panny 1 day ago
The problem isn't that you can't do something deserving of a billion dollars. Clearly it is possible. It's just that if you do it, you rarely get the billion dollars.
Comment by triceratops 23 hours ago
In fairness that wasn't for lack of trying. Shockley founded a semi-conductor company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_Semiconductor_Laborat...) and ran it so poorly that eight key people left (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight), founded their own company (Fairchild Semiconductor) and became enormously wealthy. Two of the eight then went on to found Intel and became even wealthier.
Comment by AnimalMuppet 22 hours ago
Comment by coldtea 1 day ago
What's "clearly possible" is to create a product. Or to create C.
It's not at all clear than anything of the sort "deserves" a billion dollars.
Except if we reduce it to the trivial "as a product it can be potentially worth billions of dollars in the market". But "is worth" doesn't equal "deserve".
One is an economic claim (which nobody disagrees with). The other is a ethical/moral claim, which many disagree about.
Comment by ForHackernews 1 day ago
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/05/07/dr-norman-borlaug-he-sa...
Comment by coldtea 23 hours ago
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Comment by coldtea 1 day ago
This is not a "motte-and-bailey", as the fact that you can't "deserve that billion dollars" is already part of the original "pair of arguments". In a true motte-and-bailey the second argument is implied, here both are given out straight.
Also, “all billionaires are cheaters” trivially doesn't include the baby which merely inherited the money as having actively cheated. It does however trivially include the parent who amassed the amount as a cheater. And thus, it makes inheriting the amount inheriting the fruits of cheating.
Comment by regularization 22 hours ago
How many babies inherit money? The earliest heirs usually get access to their inheritance is when they choose to at eighteen.
Comment by coldtea 20 hours ago
"Baby which inherited the money" could just be baby born into wealth, or baby who will eventually inherit billions when it grows older and its parents die, or baby whose diseased mogul parent left a trust of billions for, or whatever....
Comment by ChrisArchitect 22 hours ago
How to earn a billion dollars
Comment by k310 1 day ago
1. By delivering useful products and services or sabotaging competitors, making money by promoting hate or spreading knowledge (HN, take a bow)
2. By actually enriching the consumer or creating addictive/dark patterns or charging usurious interest rates, setting traps, obsoleting products quickly and so on.
3. By pouring profits back into the company, creating opportunities and just giving a fair share to society that pays for the products and services, or fattening up on stock buybacks. (Think AI helping people who lost jobs to AI using AI to get jobs from AI HR agents)
4. Money buys influence, and laws and regulations favor the concentration of wealth over its flow back to society; hence the insane concentration of wealth in static assets, mega-yachts, real estate. Legislative capture.
5. Ultimately conscience and the "golden rule". Beyond a certain amount of wealth, actual happiness is somewhat asymptotic or decreasing, [0] the point being that it all becomes symbolic at some point, and that you'll always have less (fewer of those symbols) than someone else, signifying unhappiness unless you're "the one at the apex".
6. The greatest treasures are arguably "Treasures of the Heart" [1] and call that "the spiritual aspect of life" if you will, but all is eventually lost except the good we do with and for others (The Dennis Ritchies of this world). I prefer not to have an army of bodyguards, though I could use some household and yard help, which I can still afford until those billionaires sack Social Security for an even lower tax rate. (than zero?)
[0] Elon Musk: "I'm not happy"
Elon Musk gave ordinary people access to the biggest hate machine (and nufidier) in human history.
[1] Nichiren
Nichiren gave ordinary people access to the treasures of the Lotus Sutra, which opens the door to the innate Buddhahood/divinity in each person, and therefore, to happiness.
Comment by Paradigm2020 7 hours ago
Elon Musk also massively decreased the cost of spaceflight and accelerated the advent of electric cars.
People, despite other people's desire, are complicated and neither pure evil nor pure good.
Comment by pstuart 23 hours ago
Comment by brador 18 hours ago
The starving, the down and outs, the unlucky, all who could really use that dollar for basic human needs. Mazlow.
That is where the “rich are cruel by definition” originates.
Comment by techblueberry 1 day ago
Mandatory disclaimer - im not a socialist and dont have a problem with wealth accumulation, but it really feels like in 2026. I would spend a lot of time thinking about how to thought lead around the good old traditional “business owners create jobs” and not “billionaires=good”. Also, in our regulatory captures, giving companies $60 billion dollars - it’s not the hardest working founders that win, it’s the best capitalized.
Sure Uber made a better product, but was it that or the subsidized rides that truly allowed them to capture the market.
So, I want people to dream big, but what happened to medium sized businesses where you could make $20 or so million dollars. Why advocate for consolidation in this scale?
Comment by scotty79 20 hours ago
Letting one person have this amount of power is just wrong way to do things. There should be caps on that. Such amount of power should be under command of organizations, not individuals. Otherwise we are are stuck with living under a handful of spontaneous, random dictators, hoping they are benevolent and not incredibly stupid. While they constantly make idiotic and malevolent decisions that waste actual resources and human capital.
The question who deserves what and what was earned and how is almost irrelevant if the total outcome is this bad.
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