US Air Force B-52 bomber crashes after takeoff, Edwards Air Force Base says
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RIP!
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RIP
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Comment by runjake 1 day ago
I don't know how it is anymore, but it apparently used to be an unspoken rule that if the downstairs crew couldn't eject and survive, the upstairs crew wouldn't either.
As to why the ejection system is like this? Because the B-52 was originally designed as a high-altitude bomber.
Comment by Steve44 1 day ago
There were a few crashes where the cockpit crew ejected, this being one at London Heathrow.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1956/dec/...
> It would be unjust to the pilot and co-pilot were I not to make it clear, in conclusion, that it was their duty to eject from the aircraft when they did. I am satisfied that there could have been no hope of controlling the aircraft after the initial impact. In these circumstances, it was the duty of the captain to give the order to abandon the aircraft and of all those who were on board to obey it if they were able to do so. Both the pilot and co-pilot realised when they gave their orders that, owing to the low altitude, the other occupants had no chance of escape, and they considered that their own chances were negligible
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It would likely have had full fuel tanks so that's probably why we can see little debris.
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https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4517897/b-52...
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Comment by KingMachiavelli 1 day ago
IMO the danger to US service members outside of combat seems way too high. It's a well known fact most fatalities occur during training than during combat. (Sure this due to there being many more training exercises than active combat engagements but from a policy perspective it is very worrying).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...
Comment by jandrewrogers 1 day ago
It may seem odd that they plan for these losses but the optimal amount of risk is non-zero. Excessive safety-ism interferes with effective training and operations, which risks lives in other ways. They aren't reckless but over-prioritizing never risking a life in training would defeat the purpose of it and institutionalize behavior that is ill-suited for actual warfare where risk is unavoidable.
Statistically the military environment is quite safe, particularly for young males, relative to the median lifestyle in the US. That is true even in some war zones, ironically.
Comment by maximilianburke 1 day ago
This is the first B-52 crash in almost 20 years.
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Comment by Steve44 1 day ago
Have a flick through these links listing losses or two RAF types, it's quite sobering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/harrier...
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Comment by runjake 1 day ago
The reason B-52s are still around is because they are combat-effective and cost-effective relative to other aircraft, such as the B-1 and B-2 (both of which I also worked on). Whatever replaces the B-52 will have to be something new and something cost-effective. I don't think that currently exists.
The B-1 has only been combat/cost effective in more recent years after an extended rough patch spanning decades -- actually, I'm not even sure it's cost-effective. The B-2 has always been combat-effective, but was never cost-effective to operate or maintain.
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Comment by runjake 1 day ago
The B-2 does have its place and is better suited for certain jobs, albeit at too high a cost. The B-21 is purported to lower that. We'll see.
Edit: Looks like current B-2 operational/maintenance costs are now down to only about 2x that of the B-52, which is an impressive reduction (no sarcasm).
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Comment by jmalicki 1 day ago
They get upgraded regularly, the only reason to make more bombers is to try something different.
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Comment by somat 1 day ago
During the recent engine replacement project using one full sized engine per boom instead of the twin small engine nacelle was seriously considered. So 4 engines instead of 8. I suspect the reason the twin nacelle was kept was that going to 4 engines required more engineering rework than they were happy with. It certainly would have improved the b-52's range and fuel efficiency.
Either way probably a net zero on the stealth consideration.
Fun fact: with the re-engine project the b-52 now has the same engines as the A-10.
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Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago
Do we have this class of anti-radiation weapon?
Comment by AnimalMuppet 1 day ago
If the radar is mobile, that means that you need a true anti-radiation missile, but SAM radars aren't mobile, are they?
Comment by m4rtink 1 day ago
Also only the radar really transmits, so even if you hit it the, separate launchers might still be intact & guided by another radar if you don't destroy them.
This is why modern remotely guided middle strike drones are so dangerous for SAMs - they can basically search an area for all the SAM system components and destroy them all or most of them. Potentially much more effective than a homing missile hitting just the radar at maximum.
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B-52 engine refurbishment is going to cost $15 billion for 70 odd bombers, or $214 million each. $750 million is current cost of B-21.
Comment by tocs3 1 day ago
Notice all the references to the B-21 are future tense.
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Man this is so far off topic, but I would consider myself somewhat well educated and personally and professionally experienced on this topic, and I very much would love to know what problems you see with the M4A1 weapon system in 2026.
Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago
Planes don’t really age like that, at least not if they’re serviced. They’re constantly being rebuilt and inspected.
The only reason airliner fleets churn as much as they do is fuel efficiency and maintenance standardization.
Comment by dpe82 1 day ago
Also airliners usually just become cargo planes for quite a long time before retirement. Eg. there's a bunch of DC-3s still being commercially operated. Jet engine noise regs killed a bunch of early jets, but older prop aircraft are still going strong.
Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago
Good point. The B-52 doesn’t pressurize the whole fuselage. Just the crew compartment.
> airliners usually just become cargo planes for quite a long time before retirement
Out of curiosity, do they not pressurize the cargo hold?
Comment by bri3d 1 day ago
Well, the DC-3 is a fun example, because it wasn't pressurized to start with.
But no, normally converted freight aircraft are fully pressurized; it's more expensive and more intrusive to redesign the plane to have a cockpit pressure bulkhead than it is to just leave the whole thing pressurized. There are some exceptions like the Beluga, usually due to door design constraints (at some point, making a cockpit pressure bulkhead becomes easier than making a giant pressurized door). This trend in retrofits might change; flat aft-pressure-bulkhead retrofits are becoming a thing to increase cubic footage capacity, and at some point someone might decide that the effort required to engineer and certify a cockpit bulkhead would be worth some advantage in door design or cargo capacity in a broader sense. But for now, they're usually fully pressurized.
The main reason why planes get a second life in freight is that freight carriers have _way_ more options for utilization; they fly fewer hours overall, hold the plane until it's completely full, and utilize different airports and routes. A loud, inefficient plane is OK to fly twice a day between two fixed airports with no noise restrictions, but useless to a passenger carrier who wants to make four or five turns between whatever airports are necessary and doesn't have guaranteed utilization to cover the overhead - right back to your original point, which I don't think anyone was really disagreeing with.
Comment by labcomputer 1 day ago
Yes, but that's a function of how fuel economy and capital impact the overall economics.
Cargo = (usually) one flight per night.
Passenger = (usually) many flights per day.
It's important for cargo airlines to have low capital costs for an asset that spends a lot of time not making money, but it's important for a passenger airline to have low operating costs for an asset that's burning fuel all the time.
Passenger airplanes are repurposed for cargo when newer, more fuel efficient airplanes come on the market.
Comment by t0mas88 1 day ago
And the military has a tendency to also upgrade the avionics and capabilities at several points in the lifetime of a program. So there is a lot of tech in these planes that's much newer than 60 years old.
Comment by __patchbit__ 1 day ago
War profiteers say motherhood statements about the crew but don't care.
60 years of new weapons design opportunities was pocketed in pork by the politicians bought and paid for.
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Comment by bigfatkitten 1 day ago
Too many types of aircraft to operate and maintain, with too few people to do it and too few available airframes to maintain a combat capability.
Comment by elevation 1 day ago
One year, a congressional efficiency mandate required that AFBs return any parts that hadn't been issued in the previous (90 days?). Returning their stock just because it hadn't been needed in the last 12 weeks undermined their readiness requirements, so the staff found a way around this limitation: periodically discard qty 1 of any seldom-used part and order another one to show proof of need. The congressional anti-waste attempt only served to fill their dumpster.
Along with investigating airframe selections, it would be worthwhile to audit the branches for these kinds of perverse incentives, to hear from people at all levels about which policies are helpful and which cause needless waste.
Comment by bityard 1 day ago
I also remember our shop being under (unwritten!) pressure from the squadron commander to spend every cent we were budgeted for (without going over!) to make sure we got at least that much last year.
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Comment by mrguyorama 1 day ago
If that holds for the forseen future, the B-52 will not have a real successor.
Currently, it looks like non-precision bulk bombing is just obsolete.
We "depend" on the B-52 because it still works, and there's a lot of chance it shouldn't get a replacement.
Are there any other planes we "depend" on that are old but not being replaced? Our tanker fleet is old but we are looking to replace it. Maybe some transports are getting old? But they probably don't need a new design. EWACS is old but also seeing new systems being built.
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Comment by ianburrell 1 day ago
The B-21 is the B-52 successor, and has to worry less about being shot down.
Comment by wbl 1 day ago
Also not all munitions work effectively with it. A dedicated bomber enables things like MOAB.
Comment by rawgabbit 1 day ago
The US plans to replace both JSTAR and AWACS with Golden Dome? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_s...