Spoiling Linux Kernel with "sanctioned" code
Posted by ValdikSS 6 days ago
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Comment by thewebguyd 5 days ago
That's explicitly not true, according to the Linux foundation. OFAC sanctions restrict providing a service, so here the violation would be two-way collaboration, not the receipt of information.
The kernel could review & merge the patch without running afoul of sanctions. What they cannot do is have dialogue with the sanctioned contributor.
Logic is not subject to sanctions, and anyone also may look at the submission and implement a matching fix.
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regul...
Comment by ranger_danger 4 days ago
How does one prove a negative?
Comment by Chu4eeno 5 days ago
... and vice versa.
Comment by NicuCalcea 5 days ago
> The bug is forced to be fixed in some other way, not in a way it has been fixed by the bug fix contributor
I'm not quite following, why is this the case? If another non-Russian contributor submits the same fix, why wouldn't it be merged? If the project is GPL-licensed, surely that means the author of the fix doesn't retain any "patent" rights as the author describes it?
Comment by Simran-B 5 days ago
Comment by ralferoo 5 days ago
As long as somebody verifies that is the correct thing to do and submits a patch, I can't see anybody would complain about that. How else would you fix it?
But that's not what the article is complaining about. From their description, they removed a simple workaround, introduced a whole different approach to sending a message, relying instead on a watchdog timer. That's not a trivial refactor, and there could easily be a bug hidden in the change, intentional or not. That is the real issue.
Aside from anything else, the author was complaining about something going from no delay to having a 1ms delay, which broke his device. His solution was to rewrite it such that there was a variable delay, from 0ms to 275ms. That sounds even less desirable. A quarter of a second delay could easily be enough to cause data corruption on a drive after unmounting and before unplugging, if its logic on how to ensure data was flushed relied on that feature.
Such a major change needs extensive testing on basically most USB devices before it's randomly integrated into the kernel, especially when the fix it's undoing is over 20 years old, so the hardware it affects must be even older than that (and nobody else has used it in the last 20 years) and so most of the maintainers won't even be able to test whether the fix works anyway. It's just a big change explained away by a "trust me bro".
Comment by seanhunter 5 days ago
Greg K-H is a fully autonomous human being and he doesn’t work for the author of tfa. It sucks that we live in a world where nation states try to put exploits into the linux kernel and other foss projects but we very much do live in that world. It sucks that that means the author doesn’t get to contribute to the Linux kernel because their government (who they presumably have little control over) are very active in doing that, but that too is a fact of life.
Either way Greg K-H doesn’t owe you or me or the author anything and people need to stop being so entitled about free software.
Comment by ghusto 5 days ago
That was very much not the thing. He's raising an interesting point, if true. Namely that sanctioned countries could severely damage the progress of Linux by supplying good patches.
Comment by ValdikSS 5 days ago
This is not the first case anyway.
>author doesn’t get to contribute to the Linux kernel because their government
I guess you're missing the point: nobody has asked me anything. The whole assumption that I'm Russian, from Russia, and a possibly designated, comes from using my .ru email.
I used to have .cn and .be domains as well during my life, should have been Chinese or Belgian to send kernel patches :D
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Comment by 1attice 6 days ago
After a period of branches and patchsets, full national hard forks are going to become de rigeur, and linux-derived OSes across the world are going to bloom necessarily, as we no longer have the kind of ambient trust required to collaborate across borders.
Look forward to Euro-linux, Sino-BSD, and I guess probably some sort of GCC-area build as well.
Patches will be accepted across national boundaries with only the highest scrutiny, which itself will likely be provided by nationalized AI platforms.
Gods I hate this era
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Comment by nosioptar 5 days ago
Suse has more packages in their repo. But, I prefer Mageia's control center to yast.
Comment by gaiagraphia 6 days ago
The globalised, hyper-centralised world is a bit boring, tbh.
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Comment by gaiagraphia 5 days ago
Ukraine might be a fashion symbol in the west, but when I was volunteering out there in the first year, the points of view where mainly wanting to be like Poland; not absorbing the values of the wider west.
Comment by npodbielski 5 days ago
> Think about that.
I thought and I do not think this article is anything else but a rant.
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Comment by rurban 5 days ago
America invades everywhere, Russia only neighbors, that's what you learn in school.
Comment by Svoka 4 days ago
russian federation was created in 1991.
Since then russia occupies entirety of Ichkeria, parts of Moldova, parts of Georgia, and parts of Ukraine
What lang grabs does US got since 91?
If you want to go before, russian occupation called 'ussr' and 'russian empire' caused pretty much unparalleled suffering and extinsions of peoples. But also, we are talking about current events. Past brutality is poor justification of current actions
Comment by 4gotunameagain 3 days ago
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Comment by 4gotunameagain 3 days ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations...
Also go back and listen to old speeches and interviews by Putin and Lavrov. They have been crystal clear about that fact, saying it openly that they will even invade if NATO tries to get too close.
I empathise with the Ukrainian people who are the ones that have to suffer from these power games, but I place a lot of blame to NATO.
Comment by mopsi 2 days ago
During the 2010 presidential election campaign, Party of Regions leader and candidate Viktor Yanukovych stated that the current level of Ukraine's cooperation with NATO was sufficient and that the question of the country's accession to the alliance was therefore not urgent. On 14 February 2010, Yanukovych said that Ukraine's relations with NATO were currently "well-defined", and that there was "no question of Ukraine joining NATO".
In February 2014, during Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, president Yanukovych fled the capital despite signing an agreement with the opposition. Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from his post and schedule new elections, while an interim government was set up.
Ukraine's interim Yatsenyuk government took office on 26 February. The new government said that it did not intend to make Ukraine a member of NATO.
In late February and early March 2014, Russian soldiers without insignia occupied Crimea.
As to Putin and Lavrov, they didn't even admit the invasion after the fact, which is why Russian soldiers were running around without insignia for the first few years of the war.Comment by 4gotunameagain 2 days ago
On 9 February 2021, the prime minister of Ukraine, Denys Shmyhal, stated that he hoped that Ukraine would be able to receive an action plan for NATO membership at the same time as Georgia
On 7 April 2021, after the start of the build-up of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border
And your last point lacks logic, the fact that they did not admit that they invaded does not invalidate the fact that they issued multiple and continuous warnings to Ukraine and NATO.Can't you see that you are the victim of the US military industrial complex ?
Comment by mopsi 1 day ago
The Russian "multiple and continuous warnings" (aka demands and ultimatums) were taken seriously in 2008 and Ukraine was not offered a path to NATO membership. Didn't save them from the invasion. The 2008 decision is now widely considered a mistake. The "Russia is afraid of NATO encirclement" argument has been conclusively falsified for a while now.
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Comment by kunley 5 days ago
What is this: does not ring, and does not fit in the ass..? Soviet device for ringing in the ass.
Infinitely more funny if you lived on the east side of the iron curtain.
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Comment by indrora 5 days ago
I have many close friends who are Russian by nationality. Russian by crime of accident of birth. So many of my friends in this situation abhor the actions of their government.
The Mentor stated it best. Phrack 7, 1986:
"We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals."
Comment by dlahoda 5 days ago
Estimates are that 30 percent of taxes go to war in Russia.
So if he is in Russia, and not left for some deep forest or like, he helps Russian War effort.
Comment by Svoka 5 days ago
It is not “crime of birth” it is crime of choice of supporting war machine which invaded and occupied neighbour for hundreds of years; colonizing and exterminating peoples.
It is not russian ELECTED government raping thousands and killing tens of thousands. It is not govenment which launched over 60 000 drones and missiles in Ukrainian cities last month. It is russians, it is tens of millions in russian military, trice that supporting the military and each paying taxes being complicit.
They don't get to play victim while butchering people
P.S. before you claim 'not fair election' a quick reminder thet russians voted for this government each time since inception of russian federation in 1991, with the very clear track record of invading neighbouring countries with land grabs
Comment by ralferoo 5 days ago
That is true, but one of the reasons for imposing sanctions after diplomatic processes fail to get the government change their course of action, beyond just causing economic harm to the government, is specifically to apply pressure on population such that they don't want to support their government any more and vote them out, or where that isn't possible cause an insurrection.
Whether it is right for another country to influence another country in that way is debatable, but as sanctions are only effective if basically every other country adheres to them, by that point it's clear that every other country disagrees with the target country under sanctions (or values their relationship with the countries that do more than the target), so perhaps it's not unreasonable.
In any case, it's clear that partly from the Russian government restricting the flow of information inside Russia, but also from opinions that the population already had, there's still a lot of support within Russia for continuing the war. Perhaps, sanctions will help influence popular opinion against the war, perhaps not, but that is one of the main goals of sanctions. Just saying "oh, but they're just ordinary citizens, they're not responsible for government actions" misses the point of what sanctions are trying to achieve.
Comment by rurban 5 days ago
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Comment by Svoka 4 days ago
Make no mistake - this has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity, and everything with ones actions. Just answer me this - you say "She’s against Putin". What does it mean? Does she fight with other russian volunteers for Armed Forces of Ukraine? Does she sabotage logistics alongside partisans? Provide intelligence? Does she pay taxes in russia? Like, how is her 'being against Putin' is reflected on reality?
P.S.You nickname says 'Random German', so you should know a thing or two about systemic complicity, clean Wehrmacht myth etc. I would love to hear your opinion on what is her role in it.
Comment by warmonger 4 days ago
Are you doing any of that? No? Than you may be a part of it based on your comment.
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https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-cou...
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Comment by seanhunter 5 days ago
There’s literally nothing stopping them from fixing the bug in either this case or the hypothetical. The maintainer just doesn’t respond to email from .ru domains. He could still choose to take the patch. He may just have decided not to accept this patch because changing something quite obscure to fix a weird printer used by one guy is likely to cause more problems than it solves. We don’t know because he didn’t respond.
That certainly doesn’t mean he wouldn’t fix a serious bug just because he heard about it from a .ru address.
Comment by ghusto 5 days ago
I haven't verified if what he's saying is true though.
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Comment by _user_account 6 days ago
> This adds ~1ms latency per transfer cycle for rapid bidirectional communication which leads to half the USB 1.1 speed for smaller packets at best.
Still, I don't think this patch should be applied /for everyone/. Maybe compile out-of-tree and load as a kernel module, if possible?