The oldest surviving animated feature film at 100
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The actual divide between American and European legal traditions has to do with moral rights and copyright formalities. In Europe, you could very easily take a work from one country, translate it, and not only publish it in another, but get copyright title to it in that country as well. And publishers did this heaps. Europe's solution was to get rid of copyright formalities - works are just born copyrighted. America hated this and spent about a hundred years digging their heels in about it until they begrudgingly signed onto the Berne Convention without really agreeing to it.
While a primary goal of Berne was to make copyright work for artists again[4], a secondary goal was to protect the publishing empires that had been built up in each country. Both sides of this tradition wanted copyright terms that were long enough to protect their publishing empires but not so long as to require them to pay royalties to the folklore and song those empires plundered on the way up. You can see this in how easily America was willing to go along with life+70 when the EU offered it to them, while they still drag their feet on automatic registration and moral rights.
There are a handful of countries that have a "paying public domain" - as in, anything in the public domain must still be paid for, but the legal "owners"[0] of the work do not have the right to refuse that payment. That sort of arrangement is perpetual, but because it lacks the right to refuse access, it's not copyright in any way Hollywood would recognize it. It's more helpful to think of these in the same way one thinks of Canadian Content (CanCon) laws: a way for countries that are not net cultural exporters[3] to siphon off the top of the creative industries of countries that are.
I can also think of a few cases in which specific works were locked behind very narrow sui generis IP[2] rights. Like, only one particular children's hospital in the UK is allowed to perform Peter Pan on stage. Or, you're not allowed to sell merchandise with the Mona Lisa on it in Italy[1]. These are copyright-adjacent, in that they're government-granted monopolies over creative works. And they're perpetual. But they don't transfer like copyright and they don't cover all the same acts that copyright does.
So, yes, the "limited Times" framing is very American, but no other jurisdiction has meaningfully objected to it, either. We joke about digging up the grave of Shakespeare every time talk of copyright extensions happens, but if you do extend out copyright forever, then every person in the world has fractional blood inheritance to a very large amount of human culture. Going back to that "paying public domain" thing, some people have even floated the idea of collective ownership over indigenous cultural works. Like, imagine if when Disney made the movie Moana, they had to pay literally every Polynesian person a royalty check. Nobody in power wants something like that to happen, because that's not building up an empire. That's tearing it down, brick by brick, royalty check by royalty check.
[0] The notion of who gets the money from a paying public domain varies; but is usually some government collection agency.
[1] Italy actually used to have a paying public domain, but replaced it with this law.
[2] In the Doctorowian sense of "intellectual property is the right to dictate the conduct of your competitors".
[3] To be clear, creative industry is so broadly globalized that it renders this concept outdated. e.g. Canada has shittons of cultural exports, they're just all on YouTube.
[4] Lol.
Comment by rob74 6 days ago
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Copies are on YT:
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Comment by dofm 6 days ago
There's a game I did try that used silhouette visuals that are IMO very Reininger-inspired — Limbo.
Comment by JoeDaDude 6 days ago
Before Mickey: The Animated Film 1898-1928 by Donald Crafton
Personally, I remain impressed to this day with the pioneering work of Winsor McCay, the cartoonist who created Little Nemo. Perhaps the best example:
Comment by 1659447091 10 days ago
17 min documentary showing Reiniger's technique/process
Comment by jimbokun 7 days ago
Just watched the first couple minutes of The Adventures of Prince Achmed and it’s unlike anything I’ve seen before.
Comment by thaumasiotes 7 days ago
It's a filmed shadowpuppet performance.
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Comment by dofm 6 days ago
It's frame by frame stop-motion capture, for sure.
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Comment by veltas 6 days ago
In many scenes characters entirely change their shape in a natural or fluid way, because the cut-outs are being wholly replaced with different cut-outs from frame to frame, to simulate a natural/fluid motion. This is one of many techniques used in the film possible with stop-motion animation and impossible with shadowpuppets.
I watched the film and was quite impressed with the animation techniques used, although this isn't really novel but not because of puppets, animation actually goes back much further than film. It's a beautiful film though, and I can see why people preserved it.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2...
Comment by dofm 6 days ago
In some scenes parts of a figure simply do not move or change shape at all while other parts of the limbs do, and the limbs move in angular rotations before being swapped out for recut or different limbs. In the absence of machine cutting, the only explanation is that the figures are composed of pieces.
I am quite sure some jointing and "composition" of figures was used — not just for efficiency but for quality frame to frame.
It is absolutely amazing art but the level of craft is of the scale!
Just from the level of consistency even if you assume that film frames have been carefully realigned in digitisation.
Comment by 1659447091 6 days ago
They are similar in visual style but different in form and method.
> In the 1910s, the German animator Lotte Reiniger pioneered silhouette animation as a format, whereby shadow-play-like puppets are filmed frame-by-frame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_play#Shadow_puppetry_to...
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Some of the forest scenes remind me of the original King Kong in their use of dark foreground shapes and framing devices to give an impression of scale.
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https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/henri-riviere-master-printm...
The Shadow Theatre at "Le Chat Noir" was fairly famous, no?
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I was unaware of her.
Thanks!
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Comment by gwbas1c 6 days ago
Should we say that it's "animated?" I know it's an argument of semantics; yet it's nothing like the hand-drawn animation of early Disney movies.
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