MacBook Neo Review: No Other Budget Laptop Can Compete

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Comment by pragmatic 1 hour ago

But you’re stuck with MacOS.

I can’t stand it and every update makes it worse.

Been running popos abs everything I can and it’s petty nice.

Installed it on a new LG Gram and everything works including fingerprint reader. Is my favorite laptop and my old Mac sits gathering dust,

Comment by GeekyBear 7 hours ago

PC Magazine came to the same conclusion:

> Apple pulled off what I thought wasn't possible. The MacBook Neo is poised to set the budget-laptop world on fire as a $599 system that's better-built and sharper than anything else at or below its price.

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-macbook-neo

Similar to the Verge:

> even the cheapest MacBook Neo is good enough to be the go-to Apple laptop for a lot of people. Actually, not just the go-to Apple laptop; the Neo’s hardware simultaneously embarrasses an entire class of affordable (and even far pricier) Windows laptops, as well as just about any Chromebook. And the thing runs on an iPhone chip.

https://www.theverge.com/tech/891741/apple-macbook-neo-a18-p...

Comment by hulitu 6 hours ago

> MacBook Neo Review: No Other Budget Laptop Can Compete

> PC Magazine came to the same conclusion:

> Similar to the Verge:

Apple pays well. Budget laptop at 600 Euros ? And can't compete having a tablet processor, 8 MB RAM, 256 MB SSD. 2 USB ports (one i presume used for charging) ? Yeah. It really can't compete with better options.

Comment by akagr 5 hours ago

Go beyond the specs, though. Which windows laptops have similar combination of all metal build with tight tolerances, a display hinge that doesn’t wobble, a nice keyboard and even close to similar feeling trackpad at this 600 dollar price point? Most non haptic trackpads are dive board designs where you can only press the lower part of it because they hinge from the top, whereas as Neo’s trackpad is completely floating and can be pressed even on the very top. Also, one of main target audiences - students - can have this for much cheaper with education pricing.

If quality and in-hand feel matters to you at all, you’ll be hard pressed to find a more well rounded laptop than a MacBook at any price point.

Comment by lostmsu 2 hours ago

As I said in another thread $650 HP OmniBook 5 on Ryzen is faster, more RAM, feels great to use, and I don't have to deal with MacOS!

Comment by tuesdaynight 44 minutes ago

IMO, there's nothing comparable to MacBook Air in its price range if you are an average user. Neo is even better in that aspect. The model you cited sounds better if you are planning to use Linux and are computer literate. But if you just want something that is good (not perfect) at everything usual, a MacBook is a no-brainer.

Comment by lukevp 6 hours ago

What better options?

Comment by bdbdbdb 6 hours ago

*Gb not Mb

Comment by bdbdbdb 6 hours ago

600 is a bargain for a MacBook, but I can't see the public windows users switching en masse. Most people who buy cheap windows laptops do so because 1) they need to replace a broken laptop and want to pay the lowest amount possible 2) they don't want to learn some new thing

600 might seem budget, but it's out of budget for most people. And my guess is PC manufacturers will retaliate against this by cutting prices just a little to drop under that 600 price point for mid range ryzens, with more ram and space.

Any family members I've helped shop for computers only care about how much space it has, how cheap it is, and will it struggle to run things like the last one. As it sits the MacBook is more money for less gigabytes

Comment by lm28469 5 hours ago

> 600 might seem budget, but it's out of budget for most people.

Out of budget for my parents but I'll pay the difference myself. It's just painful to see them use their pile of shit $300 laptop that can barely open a text editor, sounds like a jet engine and has about 45 minutes of battery life.

The only haptic feedback they get if the entire fucking thing creaking as soon as you lightly touch it.

They've been through at least 5 of them since I bought my 2015 mbp, which is still working fine in every aspects

Comment by tim333 4 hours ago

That's an important point - the been through 5 of them. The cost or running a $600 mac is probably similar to running $300 pc laptops that pack up.

Comment by pjmlp 7 hours ago

All these PC can't compete reviews are based on US prices, outside it is ridiculous expensive for a 8 GB laptop.

Comment by keyle 6 hours ago

Note that 8GB of ram on a Mac plays out a lot more different than 8GB on a PC.

I work professionally on a Macbook Air 16GB now and I have quite a few docker images and services running bare metal, + browser, vscode etc. on top. Not a problem until I start loading up some LLMs.

The paging works wonderfully well; an advantage of everything being fused.

If anything, I'm much more bound by the CPU limitations and the eco-cores than the memory.

On a PC, I wouldn't think about less than 32GB for a dev pc.

If I had a fulltime gig programming C, I'd even say I could work on this A14 8GB device. Why not? It's as powerful as a 10 year old powerful machine; probably. Or in that ballpark.

Comment by pjmlp 5 hours ago

PC work just fine with 16 GB, that is coping with Apple limitations.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255765423?sortBy=rank

Why on Earth do I need a 32 GB PC?!?

Turbo C also worked just fine with 640 KB in MS-DOS, but then again MS-DOS wasn't full of Electron crap.

Comment by tim333 3 hours ago

I've had an 8GB M1 since they came out and had almost no problems with memory shortage. The only thing is Firefox sometimes gets in a loop and takes up 20GB+ doing nothing much and you have to close it but that's not really the laptop's fault. You can have programs use >8GB because it swaps to the SSD very well.

Comment by pjmlp 2 hours ago

Almost no problem seems that there is indeed a problem.

Comment by shrubble 7 hours ago

It’s really an iPad running MacOS instead of iOS; the question is whether people want that.

I’m not the target market since I require Linux compatibility but I realize that is not a necessity in the market.

Comment by musicale 7 hours ago

The iPad has a touchscreen, supports Apple Pencil, etc. but the observation that the iPad has been Apple's "budget" computing platform for a while is spot on. It is interesting that they have reformulated it into a Mac laptop (and also that A-series iPhone chips offer M1-class performance.)

Fortunately/unfortunately for Apple, the M1 MacBook Air from 2020 is still a great laptop.

Comment by exidy 5 hours ago

I don't think it's a useful distinction. I wouldn't describe my car as "really a vacuum cleaner", despite them both having an electric motor.

The form factor is the defining characteristic, because that informs how people use it. The CPU does not.

Comment by pupppet 7 hours ago

Microsoft will respond to this by furiously adding more garbage to Windows.

Comment by theshrike79 6 hours ago

"We need to put Copilot into more places!" - Satya Nadella most likely

Comment by bdbdbdb 5 hours ago

I've yet to meet anyone who wants AI added to anything. If they released a version of windows+office tomorrow that was "guaranteed free of AI" it would be their top seller

Comment by commandersaki 2 hours ago

Needs more javascript for native functions in the OS.

Comment by ozlikethewizard 4 hours ago

When did $600 become budget?

Comment by frankacter 8 hours ago

I’m a bit confused about who this article is really for. The MacBook Neo starts at $600 so when I read:

“MacBook Neo is built on an iPhone chip—the A18 Pro. It’s far less capable of running intensive tasks than any of Apple’s M‑series chips or any moderately powered Intel or AMD processor.”

and that:

“It’s merely the right kind of performance for anybody who wants to browse the internet or stream video.”

...at this price point there are plenty of alternatives for laptops with better performance and specs.

For example, you can get a 15.6" Ryzen 7 5700U laptop with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD for less than the “unbeatable” price of the Neo:

https://www.amazon.com/NIAKUN-Computer-Processor-Graphics-Ke...

Or a 15.6" Intel Core i7‑1255U/12650H laptop with 16GB RAM and a 1TB SSD in a similar price range:

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Laptop-High-Performance-i7-1255U-4...

Both of these offer:

* A more traditional laptop CPU

* 2–4× the memory

* 2-4× the storage (1TB vs 256GB base on the Neo)

Standard HDMI/USB‑C video out for external displays

So I can definitely see the appeal of the Neo for people who just want an inexpensive way into macOS, but the claim that “no other budget laptop can compete.” doesn't track.

Maybe it should have been "The least expensive Macbook yet, but that comes with significant downsides."

Comment by theshrike79 6 hours ago

MKBHD said it best: If you're looking at the reviews of the product on tech youtube channels or tech news sites - it's not the laptop for you.

As for your comparisons: My aunt doesn't need a terabyte of storage or a Ryzen 7 5700U, she needs 15+ hours of battery life because the laptop is going to live next to her spot on the couch and she most likely can't remember to plug it in every night.

Also the first laptop is from a reputable brand called NIAKUN. They must have amazing customer service and unbeatable warranties, right? =) And they certainly will exist in 12 months when you go look for the brand on Amazon and won't be replaced by another random set of letters in all caps selling the exact same product?

The HP is on sale, it's MSRP is $699 and for some weird fucking reason has the numpad on it, making the whole keyboard wonky. Who wants that on a laptop?

And the final thing, as with all price-forward comparisons: build quality. We need an objective standard measurement for chassis and keyboard flex, the ability to open the lid with one finger, the amount of creaking and squeaking said laptop will do in normal use and how hot and loud it gets in your lap when doing light browsing.

Comment by bdbdbdb 6 hours ago

Anyone doing accounts and data entry wants a numpad. My dad recently damaged his laptop keyboard. I gave him a spare usb keyboard, and he still went out and bought a new keyboard just for the numpad. There's a reason pc makers keep stuffing those lopsided monstrosities in there

Comment by theshrike79 5 hours ago

Anyone doing data entry with a numpad will also want a proper one, not a squishy laptop one.

But they're clearly not the majority of the people - the rest of us have to live with a lopsided keyboard because a few people for some reason do data entry on a laptop keyboard.

Comment by commandersaki 2 hours ago

Ah the classic NIAKUN, what we expect from brand name quality: awesome keyboard layout (love a number pad that smashes into the arrow keys), great resolution (1920x1080 so good for 2026!). I'm sure the speakers are state of the art for the form factor, gets amazing battery life (love me max 4-5 hrs on moderate usage), and of course can't forget the plastic body.

I'm sure a similar story can be said about the HP.

If you didn't detect the sarcasm, a laptop is much more than cpu, memory, and storage; it'd be short-sighted to only fixate on this trio. PC laptops compromise on pretty much everything and usually do everything poorly, including CPU (since apple silicon Macs are much better performance per watt).

Then there's the whole aspect of Apple support for both hardware AND software, something no PC vendor can provide.

Comment by glimshe 23 minutes ago

I was about to say the same thing. How can people compare Apple to a NIAKUN throwaway laptop? I'm no Mac fanboy - I use Windows, Linux and Mac at home. I find MacOS somewhat annoying, but as a Internet browsing laptop, I'd much rather pay for the Mac Neo than "NIAKUN".

PS: I wrote this on my Macbook Air.

Comment by JSR_FDED 5 hours ago

> It’s far less capable of running intensive tasks

The latest reviews are showing that's not really the case

Comment by apimade 7 hours ago

Total cost of ownership.

I’d give my entire family these ahead of Windows laptops any day.

Comment by hulitu 6 hours ago

> Total cost of ownership.

Mister Gates, is that you ?

Comment by sockaddr 7 hours ago

Your amazon links are broken. But I think you're missing the point of this thing. This isn't for people that really even care about performance. It's for people that want a laptop that works with their iPhone, does all the things their school needs them to do in a browser, and doesn't come with a complete dogsh*t OS, and isn't of dubious quality like an HP or a "NIAKUN", whatever that is.

Now the color options, that's a tragedy.

Comment by frankacter 7 hours ago

>Your amazon links are broken.

Thanks. Fixed.

>This isn't for people that really even care about performance. It's for people that want a laptop that works with their iPhone

That was my conclusion to my comment in my original. The title of "no other budget laptop can compete" is not just sensationalized, it is factually wrong. It should have been "the least expensive macbook yet comes with a catch"

Comment by musicale 7 hours ago

> Now the color options, that's a tragedy.

Maybe they need to bring back psychedelic iMacs.

https://www.slashgear.com/1706745/rare-apple-imac-designs-fl...

Comment by saghm 7 hours ago

"No other budget laptop can compete on offering MacOS" is certainly a correct statement, but it's not a particularly interesting one. If they're missing the point, it's because it was exaggerated to the point of not being recognizable.

Comment by kasabali 3 hours ago

> 15.6"

eww

Comment by atoav 7 hours ago

I would ask the opposite. For years now for most of my family even a Raspberry Pi 3B+ 3ould be enough. 95% of people use their machine to run a web browser, that easily ran on hardware that was old 20 years ago.

Comment by frankacter 6 hours ago

Agreed, which is why a $600 price point on a "budget laptop" targeting users running a web browser seems quite over priced.

Comment by tim333 3 hours ago

The thing with laptops in my experience is a) they last ~6 years (macs at any rate) so that's ~$100/year or 27c a day and b) people spend a lot of time on them, hours a day often. Is it really worth cutting back much on that when it's like 1/10th the cost of getting a cup of coffee?

Comment by atoav 5 hours ago

Well but that's the thing. It is priced like a phone for exactly the kind of person who would spend 600 bucks on a phone. I don't think this is a coincidence.

In terms of performance the raw compute people have in their pockets nowadays surpasses what they typically need by magnitudes for a while now. Granted: programmers and tech companies find new ways of wasting that compute on features that people ultimately do not need, so they may need that the compute so things feel snappy, but if I think about what my parents do on their devices you could easily enable them to do theirs tasks with far less. They are essentially doing the same as ca. 2006 with pictures and videos being higher fidelity & resolution and websites running hundred thousand lines of javascript being the main difference.

Comment by Mawr 4 hours ago

> ...at this price point there are plenty of alternatives for laptops with better performance and specs.

Laughable. Seriously, how long has it been since the M1 Air dropped? And we're still this clueless?

> For example, you can get a 15.6" Ryzen 7 5700U laptop with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD for less than the “unbeatable” price of the Neo:

Awesome spec dump. Now, what's the real life usage battery life of that laptop like? Oh? Yeah, thought so.

Nobody buys a list of specs, they buy a set of capabilities. And the Neo is capable of supporting normal usage for 12h+ on battery. Go ahead and link me some alternative laptops that can do that, with comparable performance of course — which is on par or better than the original M1 Air mind you.

Killer move by Apple, and I'm shocked there's still so much ignorance around.

Comment by tim333 3 hours ago

The Windows ones sound good for running games. Wouldn't suit me as I don't game on them and want battery life for reading.

Comment by lostmsu 2 hours ago

https://www.staples.com/hp-omnibook-5-16-2k-laptop-copilot-p...

I own one. It lives long enough not to get bothered by charging.

Comment by commandersaki 39 minutes ago

Looked up more info on this laptop, my cursory thoughts:

plastic chassis: gross. keyboard with a numberpad: yuck no inverted-T for arrow keys: yuck limited size trackpad, not to mention a PC trackpad: yuck display looks good and is matte: nice fans: gross usb-c (charging) port is not the first port in the array: yuck supplied charger brick: yuck, why not something a bit more modern

But at least it seems to have comparable battery life to the neo.

Comment by lemonish97 8 hours ago

Stopped reading after I read "Bright, pretty LCD display" and "Cute colors" under the pros.

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Comment by NoPicklez 8 hours ago

Perhaps you shouldn't have stopped there given the rest of the article provides enough detail to justify that it is a bright, pretty LCD display and why.

Comment by robin_reala 8 hours ago

They sound like pros to me in that market segment.

Comment by lbreakjai 4 hours ago

Honestly I wish other Macbooks came in colours other than grey and light grey. It's a bit drab, I miss the pearly white or the space black ones.