Iran's attacks on Amazon data centers in UAE, Bahrain signal a new kind of war

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Comment by paxys 1 day ago

> The tech industry often talks about “the cloud” as though it were something abstract and untouchable. But the cloud runs on data centers, those data centers have an address, and that address can be hit by a drone.

Nominating this as the best opening line I have read in a while.

Comment by newsclues 1 day ago

Information and logistics win wars, and you need lots of compute and storage in a modern war.

Comment by journal 1 day ago

HN could post the IP address of commenters but they wont.

Comment by imglorp 1 day ago

People used to add contact info in their .signature files (!): HTTP, IRC, (etc) and ICBM...

Comment by paxys 1 day ago

Striking public infrastructure is the oldest kind of war there is.

The article does raise an important question though - would an AWS data center be considered a civilian target or military?

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Comment by whackernews 1 day ago

A new kind of war where people won’t be able to get next day delivery on the 5m USB-C cable that they ordered.

Comment by andrew_gs 1 day ago

Or can't withdraw money from their FAB bank accounts as it's dependent on AWS infra. This is pretty much entirely to do with AWS and not the retail website.

Comment by fastball 1 day ago

That is... not what AWS data centers are primarily used for in 2026.

Comment by whackernews 1 day ago

You mean they’re not used to sell me cheap Chinese USB-C cables?

Comment by allanmacgregor 19 hours ago

You confused AWS with Amazon distribution and warehouses, and you are doubling down ? Likely or not, much of the world's infrastructure runs on or through AWS data centers. Attacks like this can cause significant disruption.

Comment by whackernews 5 hours ago

Maybe I’ll triple down. You’re telling me that AWS and even, why not, THE ENTIRE INTERNET is not built to sell me pointless crap? It’s just that it sure feels like it when I click around.

Comment by esseph 1 day ago

AWS is also running government, military, medical, university etc systems. Banking.

Comment by dragonwriter 1 day ago

Yes, Amazon Retail being the sole significant customer of AWS, I guess?

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Comment by samrus 1 day ago

Bro thinks amazon is the onky thing that uses AWS

Comment by trhway 1 day ago

Buying an antidrone and even antimissile system like say Pantsir-S1, Skyranger 30 or similar is just few million dollars - peanuts compare to the cost of the datacenter to be protected. Once AMAZN starts doing it for themselves, they will possibly also start air-defense-as-a-service using spare capacity.

With all the money and assets and the whole value of business, the Big Tech has already started to move into energy, and i think the defense, starting with self-defense, will be among the nearest-future next domains they will move into.

Comment by OneMorePerson 1 day ago

I dunno about defense as a service since those are pretty short range systems you mentioned (how would someone go "buy" excess capacity), but datacenters already cluster around common resources (water, etc.) so group buying some equipment to put in a ring around the datacenter area seems like it would be what they do.

Yeah the use consumer grade rocket components made SpaceX become viable compared to bloated rocket companies. Short range anti missile systems are not large ordinance, they rely a lot on technology for tracking targeting, and they are not a "weapon" (as in they prevent damage not cause it except inadvertently) so it actually seems like something pretty feasible for a tech company. Build it with consumer grade hardware and you could deploy a ton of them.

Comment by etrautmann 1 day ago

On a mobile platform though…

Rentable defense is already a thing, but rapidly deployable mini-interceptors like Anduril and many others, or electronic countermeasures could plausibly become much more widespread.

Comment by OneMorePerson 1 day ago

I guess I am splitting hairs but "spare capacity" heavily implies it's a non physical resource or it's able to be used in an instant. Almost like how if you had a global based missile system like a GBI (or not quite global but long range like a THAAD) you could near instantly have someone "bid" to use your missiles in an emergency scenario. Building short range interceptors and selling them or renting them is closer to the model of AWS itself, building a knowledge base hosting your own platform (Amazon.com retail) and then selling that knowledge to others. In this case building anti missile systems to protect data centers and then selling a packaged model to other companies. But it's not "spare capacity", it's selling expertise and helping to fund your own R&D.

Comment by trhway 1 day ago

>electronic countermeasures could plausibly become much more widespread.

don't forget the amount of power available in the datacenter. You can easily redirect say just mere megawatts to electronic countermeasures (would shut everything around down) or microwave and laser weapons. That for example is just 60KWt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvQV7Mt02q4

Comment by mc3301 1 day ago

If everyone has an antidrone/antimissile system, then everyone will finally be safe.

Comment by trhway 1 day ago

the previous world order based on sovereign states is quickly coming to end. Emerging world order is based on force, and the large corps have more money than many states. The only thing they are missing is the rights of a sovereign entity. Well in a world order driven by force, the rights you have is the rights that you've obtained by force. I think we'll soon see, by analogy with corporate personhood, some version of corporate statehood.

Comment by OneMorePerson 23 hours ago

I don't think it happens quite that distinctly in the world we live in now (technology, etc.). It's not like a big tech company can go attain the same direct power as the East India company way back in the day. It's much more likely that companies continue to gain lobbying and "soft" power that directs the military into doing things. Large corps do have more money than many countries, so if a huge company wants to setup manufacturing or gain benefits in a smaller country they do have outsized power, but its rare that a huge company has more power than their own country from what I know (potentially oil companies are the exception which is why national oil companies seem to have so much weight in so many countries). For example sure the big tech companies are very powerful, but the US military budget per year is still nearly the same size as the largest tech companies market cap. Whereas you are right that a US big tech company has more revenue than say...Guatemala, or Morocco.

Comment by prepend 1 day ago

Isn’t this just Iran trying to hit anything “of value” and it really a strategic target? I doubt they are thinking things through vs just firing off semi randomly.

Comment by perfmode 1 day ago

When resources are finite and require precise guidance, why would they fire semi randomly when they can be strategic?

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Comment by YVoyiatzis 1 day ago

WTF are Amazon’s data centers doung in the UAE? Excuse my ignorance, but why there?

Comment by achille 1 day ago

  - local data residency & sovereignty
  - latency
  - bandwidth 
  - regulatory climate
  - competition
uae is business friendly

all cloud providers have middle east presence

refineries generate terabytes of sensor data per hour

the population and people there produce and consume a lot of data

Comment by samrus 1 day ago

Latency

Comment by unsnap_biceps 1 day ago

I would image data sovereignty is also a big factor.

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