The Case of the Disappearing Secretary
Posted by rwmj 3 days ago
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Comment by vessenes 3 days ago
Fifth. Computerization has not improved standards; it has merely homogenized them. When humans do work, even soul-killing work, they either get bored and get out or they start to slack or sabotage or, in the overwhelming majority of cases, they start to pay attention and make it matter, they get fussy, they figure out how to do it better. When computerization was introduced in the offices in the 80s (I was there) there was more hue and cry among the clerks and secretaries that they were being asked to do a worse job only faster, than among those who objected to learning the computer, and this applied not just to document production / handling and records management but to communication protocols. When companies ordered their clerical workers to fit their duodecahedronal tasks into square computerized holes, data was lost forever, as well as these workers' hard-won, thoughtfully developed methods of tracking and processing data.
This is PRECISELY the divide I see in engineering today - those temperamentally inclined to do things well / keep learning are entering a very exciting time. Those inclined to clock punch are rightly worried.Comment by masfuerte 3 days ago
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Comment by vessenes 3 days ago
I stand by my review - her entire response is excellent, whether or not I understood it, as is the original essay.
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Comment by TacticalCoder 3 days ago
The negative comments are all agreeing, between themselves (but not with me), that people shouldn't learn anything anymore and shouldn't be inclined to do things well.
It's really just sad to read such negative comments.
As for TFA: TFA is very right in one thing... Secretary jobs didn't entirely disappear. People overreact (which is obvious in all the negative comments anytime AI is the topic) and believe "this time it's the end". It was the same with outsourcing to India/China: people overreacted and were convinced there'd be no more developers.
I do think there are still going to be devs: and it's going to be, precisely, jobs for those who want to keep learning and do things well. And it's not the vast majority: the majority were perfectly happy knowing just the bare minimum to write the equivalent of "punch the monkey" abusive JavaScript ads and picked computing because the pay was good.
I'm very happy to see those replaced by AI.
Comment by ghaff 3 days ago
And even a bit later--in the computer biz--there were some senior managers who had their secretaries/admins print out their emails. They'd handwrite responses, and have the secretaries/admins type them in and email them. (Though the email was only internal to the company at that point.)
I don't disagree with or even lament the sentiment that a lot of secretarial work has basically been smeared across a large number of workers. While a personal assistant can be useful for some people with very busy lives, I honestly never found a shared assistant/secretary terribly useful especially as computer-based tools came into the picture and got better.
Comment by true_religion 3 days ago
They’re not old enough to have this be a habit from the pre compute days, but now AI has made it more and more possible to automate this kind of transcribing so I think everyone is happier for it.
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Comment by kkfx 3 days ago
Today is slightly different; we aren't in a period of general growth but in one of deep crisis. So, while not everyone is doing badly (as always), many really do need to cut costs by any means. Just as back then, they are generally as thick as two short planks, so they think they can axe functions they don't like, typically technical roles with specialists who aren't "low-level workers" and who might tell the manager of the day, "you're asking for nonsense, it can't be done"; the manager then discovers through failure that they actually couldn't do it, that marketing played them like a fiddle, and the real potential of the service they bought is far lower, the reality is different from what the salesman described. But it happens, and the manager just hops from one job to the next; they just need something for their CV that acts as self-promotion. The company went bust? "Well, I left just before that for that very reason, because I realised there was no future there", omitting any responsibility.
What I can say as a sysadmin today is that I'm seeing:
- a new collapse in code quality, the likes of which hasn't been seen, so they say, since 2008 (they say, because I was a 22's CE student, so I saw very little in person)
- a massive increase in software without design, without a concrete idea, thrown together on the fly following a whim where the details are missing, and often the actual purpose needed to turn a fleeting late-night idea into a concrete project is missing too.
This, along with other dynamics, makes me see nothing good ahead, not specifically for those working in IT, but for society in general. And it's not because of the "LLM effect", but because of decidedly human decision-making.
Comment by dasil003 3 days ago
In terms of lowering quality, I don't think this is anything new. Volume of code and depth of stacks has been growing pretty much in parallel with Moore's law, and this has degraded code quality. AI is accelerating this, and creating a new kind of slop since LLMs are sloppy in a different way than humans, but directionally I see it as part of the same trend.
However despite lowering quality, and increasing messiness, capabilities and user expectations have steadily increased. After a quarter century in this industry, I am blown away by the capabilities of modern computing, and the polish level of the best apps. The median bar for successful software is higher than its ever been. And to achieve this we've had to navigate steadily increasing complexity (much of it incidental), and that is where senior software folks shine.
So yeah, I think your observations are prescient and I agree with a lot of your, but I wouldn't characterize it as "nothing good ahead". I see it as a mixed bag, like all "progress", it just needs time to bake and get our arms around the impact. Currently the rate of change and hype is far out-pacing our ability to reason about it, perhaps that's the single biggest difference in the smart-phone, internet-enabled era of humanity.
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Ah yes: reading religious tomes, preaching, healing injured adventurers with divine magic.
Comment by borski 3 days ago
It typically involves white-collar administrative support, such as managing records, scheduling, and operating office equipment, requiring organizational and computer skills.
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