Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

It seems like a foolish choice for them to reneg on this. They are essentially signaling that you are a trapped rat with no way out.

This completely misrepresents what happened.

Another source (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao...) gives another claim from the same police chief:

> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming."

And then, from the DHS:

> ...when a federal agent feared for his life, "an agent fired defensive shots." ... Border Patrol Cmdr. Greg Bovino said that the officer involved in the shooting "has extensive training," and that "the situation is evolving." Bovino added that the incident would be investigated.

(TFA includes the claim of self-defense.)

"Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing. It falsely implies that LEO use of lethal force is about punishment. It is not about punishment. It is about responding to perceived threat.

All this stuff about permit cards, the victim's lack of criminal history, etc. is irrelevant. It is not connected to the motivation for the shooting. There is nothing to establish that the shooting was "solely for" that possession, and LEO denies that claim. There is no plausible universe in which the officer says "please show me the permit for that weapon", Pretti says "I don't have it", and the officer shoots. But that's the narrative you appear to be trying to push.

Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter.

They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law.

Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an encounter

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen...

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin...

In my area all the non white folks don’t come to the bus stop anymore to pickup their kids. Their kids are instructed to race home after school. The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE. Family businesses opened for decades closed because employees are afraid to come to work.

The checks and balances at the federal level are all captured. Support Minnesota in this troubling time.

Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior.

Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month.

The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-guns rise up in these times in response to this. I expect more guns and more deadly force, and no one is doing anything to put a stop to it.

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The left is losing faith in strictly peaceful protest. At least some of them (ie: the Black Panthers forming patrol militia).

The right refuses to prosecute murders. This is the worse problem.

Where does this lead? Is it too late to stop? Its easily stopped if Pam Bondi simply did an investigation into the use of deadly force. That's the saddest part of all of this.

It's not just that the DOJ won't investigate. It's actively preventing the state from investigating either.

if this continues, it's going to explode, and I think that's part of the plan, to provide cover for invoking the Insurrection Act and imposing martial law

The greater the force and amount of armament, the worse it can end up becoming.

It wasn't good when it happened in the 19th century either.

1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity.

2. Owned a gun with firearms permit.

3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male.

Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those four+ ICE shooters just need to leave the state and they're safe. The FBI is required to pursue across state lines.

The 2nd amendment was more about suppressing slave revolts than liberating slaves.

The top people in govt all the way down will completely lie about the victim and situation, despite plenty of video evidence that shows them as liars. Absolutely nothing will happen to these scumbag murderers, and another murder just like this will happen again soon.

Many people will be horrified but conservatives will continue cheering this on. This is the country we live in now.

If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.

The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him.

Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap about due process anymore, so forget it.

2. This regime likes to post deepfakes (even president himself).

Why do you have urge to defend these pedophiles?

Tell me the EXACT time in the video you see this happen.

In the video, there are 4 ICE agents on him and there's not ONE frame where the tackled protester reaches for ANYTHING with his arm/hand. There is, however, a gray-masked ICE agent consistently reaching for what appears to be the protestor's sidearm. And at 0:17, the ICE agent that shoots first reached for his own sidearm, and the ICE agent next to him retrieves what appears to be the protestor's concealed firearm at the same time, and walks away from the pile with it BEFORE shots are even fired. The "threat" - the protestor's right to bear arms - was eliminated before a shot.

There is not a single indication that ICE agents were in danger from anyone besides each other. If he was shot dead for possession, there's your answer for 2A, right there. They're shooting people like dogs in broad daylight for recording police interactions (1A) and possessing a firearm (2A), the tree of liberty needs replenishment.

"Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank.

Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.")

(own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)

Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?

Umm, are you just being purposefully blind? Every angle is being pushed across social media and everyone has seen them. They're all bad. There isn't some large conspiracy to make these agents look bad, what they did is bad and disgusting. I've edited my comment with another angle to make you feel better.

> But somehow resisting arrest while having a gun on you isn't threatening?

Reaching for a gun is threatening, brandishing a gun is threatening, resisting while possessing a gun is not, no. Regardless, the video shows he was disarmed so why did they mag dump him?

> Or did the ICE agents disarm him without having seen the gun first?

What? That sentence doesn't make sense. I believe they saw it holstered on his waistband after they had tackled him and the one agent came in and took it.

The fact that you're even trying to find a shred of justification after what everyone just watched is also disgusting.

At the same time, a fifth agent pats him down. He finds a gun (legally purchased and the MN police have said he was permitted to carry). They remove the firearm and walk away.

Then one of the officers yells "he has a gun" and shoots him point blank. Then another officer fires, which looks to kill him and he drops face-down and the officers back away. Finally, one more pulls out his firearm and puts 9 into the back of the victim's corpse - guaranteeing he can't be saved

Personally, the political threads on HN are the ones in which I learn the most by and large. There simply isn't another community on the web that elicits such thought provoking discussion around these types of issues—reddit doesn't even come close. I hope the policy will change in the future; especially during these tumultuous times, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

The idea we have to treat arguments in good faith like the other user in this story excusing fascist death squads show how well this moderation approach aligns with the Thiel-ite sympathies.

This will be one for the history books.

/Slimy euro scum

The individual state governments aren't meaningfully resisting. Their law enforcement isn't arresting "federal agents" to put them through state legal system. These perps should be jailed and forced to appeal before a judge for a bail hearing, possibly held without bail as they are clearly threats, and then put on trial in a state court.

Without this, where is the enforcement?

The classic question: who watches the watchmen? Right now, no one.

In state economic deplatforming.

You're gonna prosecute Minnesotans for accepting cash?

Yes, and the complicated part is federal supremacy[0]. The federal government can "convert" the case against the agent into a federal one and essentially just turn a blind eye which means no justice. No doubt that this administration would protect agents executing citizens by saying it was "part of their duty" to be there and doing that.

Relevant: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11213

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

At the same time, the Wikipedia page for ICE itself sounds a lot like a propaganda piece, with criticism as a footnote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWrol1kc44&t=64s

That started a few days ago.

the right to defend ones own person in the face of death or debilitation is not given by any form of government, thus it can not be withdrawn by such.

I have a 2 year old daughter.

With every fibre of my being I’m not spending a cent on any US business, person, company.

Also using the term "virtue signal" marks you as an idiot.

- There are tech companies and workers in companies outside California,

- A government deploying a militarized police force to execute people in the streets is bad for the economy,

- That government is the United States, and so this is bad for the world economy,

- A lot of the people in our industry are immigrants from outside the United States,

- If you're a HackerNews user in the United States, you can be shot and killed just like this.

"ND'd" is jargon for a Negligent Discharge, referring to a firearm that fires unintentionally due to operator error, lack of attention, or failure to follow safety procedures, such as violating the rule of keeping one's finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. It is often distinguished from an "AD" (Accidental Discharge), which refers to a mechanical failure.

On the contrary, if everybody is so focused on the National Politics contests as we've been ever since 2015 , it's only natural that the winner of that popularity contest becomes a demi God with unlimited powers (on top of what were already granted him by the very generous Constitution).

It's only logic, the more followed the contest, the more popular/emboldened will the winner of the contest be.

It's true for beauty paegents, boxing matches, movie and music prizes and yes even Presidential elections.

The answer is in local politics , attention there because that's where stuff has to be applied on the territory.

The thing is that dang has generally not unflagged any posts about topics like these in the past, so there's little reason to think the flagging is only a result of temporary inaction by the moderation team. Rather it is a consistent pattern permitted to exist by said team.

so when you [@user] tag a user rather than email its kinda like a rhetorical question, your not expecting a reply, but if someone just happens to pass by and notice your tag, they might answer.

also @user might mean wasted desire to some, but other users here might see a previously agreed upon heuristic is in play, and act in that context.

for example if someone from a very small subset of usernames that i recognize, were to @rolph me, i might SMS them at a previously agreed mobile number, if i see the signal in a reasonable time.

Pardon me, but summary executions in the United States taking place in broad daylight, with seeming impunity, is very much a new and novel phenomenon, and incredibly interesting to many of us.

These are events of historic significance.

As for the existence of "censors" that don't "allow" you to see anything. That's not how this site works, and your lack of carefulness stating that leads me to downvote that.

As much as I hate that anything regarding the rise of fascism in the US get's insta-flagged (by a community, not a "censor"), it's still very easy to find such posts, for example on an aggregator [1] and on the /active subpage you just mentioned.

It will also be broadly shared on regular (social) media, which is an oft stated reason this kind of stories get flagged by the community, although I think there are many other reasons.

[1] https://hckrnews.com

It won't happen to them because their boss (Garry Tan) is associated with the power behind the thrown (Peter Thiel).

I didn't say "have a legal firearm".

There's some key points in there.