How do I make $10k (What are you guys doing?)
Posted by b_mutea 1 day ago
I’m trying to figure out how to make around $10k, but honestly, I’m stuck on where to even start. I see people pulling things off and I genuinely want to understand how you’re doing it.
Up until last year, I was working as a technical writer in ML/AI. Those roles basically 'disappeared', so I spent most of last year upskilling and trying to pivot. I’ve attempted a few app MVPs, but none of them really stuck, and now I’m at a point where I can’t even afford tokens to keep experimenting properly.
I’m broke, no way around it, but I still want to build something, or at least get involved in a project or startup where people are building things that actually make sense. I’m not looking for handouts (but that would help), just momentum and a place where I can contribute and grow.
I’m six months behind on rent, just managed to buy time after my first eviction notice, and I’m trying to get back into building without constantly worrying about when the next one shows up.
So yeah, what are you guys building? If there’s something interesting going on and you need help, I’d love to get involved.
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Comment by ben_w 1 day ago
For example, if I were to say "I want to improve my German, make me a personalised tutor" and you thought that sounded good, 300 other people who lurk here without commenting will immediately go "ooh, interesting" and also make the same app (and as everyone will be vibe-coding from almost the same prompt, most of them really will be the exact same app down to the style choices and the number and names of achievements).
This was already a problem before LLMs, where copy-cat apps sprung up the moment anything new got famous and interesting. Clones of Flappy Bird and Wordle, even Apple did this with Sherlock and Microsoft with Internet Explorer.
So, my advice here, is to think small-scale. Find individuals and small businesses near you who are willing to pay for the work of a day to a fortnight, where the hard part is talking to them and learning what their needs are, not individual big projects that bring in $10k all at once. (For a fortnight sized project, you might get lucky and find someone who's up for $10k, but don't count on it).
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Comment by throwaway920102 1 day ago
If you need guaranteed work immediately, software is not it. If you want to maximize salary, and can take plenty of time trying and failing, it can be. It doesn't sound like you have that time.
If you are worried about homelessness, you need a radical mindset shift. You should not be thinking about software dev in the slightest.
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Comment by Ir0nMan 1 day ago
A side hustle might replace your income one day, but it won’t move fast enough to solve a six-month rent deficit. Focus 100% of your energy on securing a job first; once your housing is stable, you can use your off-hours to build that $10k idea.
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Comment by throwaway920102 1 day ago
If you are six months behind on rent, you just go find a job cleaning shit and fatbergs out of sewers if that's what is available IMO.
Comment by mixmastamyk 1 day ago
The fewer skills required the more people you need to compete with.
Comment by grugdev42 1 day ago
Selling ten $1,000 websites to small businesses is easy. It isn't fun or exciting, but it works.
It's 50% sales, 30% chasing people, and 20% building.
Find small local businesses with bad websites, or better yet no website. They honestly do exist.
Resist the urge to make your own anything. Just use Squarespace or Wix!
You don't need to hide SS or Wix from the client. Tell them you just charge for your time to set it all up. If they complain then move onto the next customer, they would likely be a pain anyway.
People will say "small marketing websites are dead with SS or Wix about", but it's not true. Most small businesses just don't want to learn how!
If you cold call all week I bet you can have a couple of deals done by Friday! Good luck.
Comment by ProjectVader 1 day ago
Lastly, most of the advice you'll get around here will be technical, but every now and again a gem will popup that sort-of 'fills in the blanks' when it comes to the other part of this, which is sales and marketing. It's not easy, but it's not all hard. I recommend this thread if you want to read more about it, the Op gives some good advice on how to get leads, and eventually customers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46661167
Comment by atmosx 1 day ago
The most money and the easiest ones come from hosting ;-) it’s like X amount per year so that they don’t have to worry about it. He runs two huge servers, and makes pretty good money at are going to increase over time.
But he had patience and will to do the dirty work early on. Now he is riding the wave.
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Comment by grugdev42 1 day ago
Tell them how much you charge before you start work and ask if they want you to start work. It can only go one of two ways.
The easiest way to convince them is to compare it to sales. If they are an electrician with an average job of $500, that website only needs to earn them two extra jobs per year to break even.
But the easiest way is to be a sociopath and not care. Ask the question and they will either say yes or no. No one is going to assassinate you for pitching a marketing website to them.
If they say yes, do you care where the money has come from? Would it matter if that was their last $1k? If they're loaded would you feel more confident? What if you do a great job and then it turns out that money came from illegal sources?
What about if they say no? Will you stay awake at night worrying that their business is losing work because people think they're weird for not having a website? What if your marketing website lands them a big client because of the "authenticity factor" of having a professional marketing website?
None of these things actually matter. But getting paid $1k feels good, especially if you've done a good job and earned it. :)
Comment by Luke7492 1 day ago
EDIT: Did you mean $1k annually or just for the initial project?
Comment by creshal 1 day ago
Even if they want to, they have approximately 500 other problems to deal with that are more urgent.
Just figure out how you handle support after the initial project phase: It's a lot easier to get a small business to spend $1000 on a website than to get them to spend $100/year for the constant trickle of small changes they'll inevitable need later.
Comment by aristofun 1 day ago
Nothing new under the moon in the last few centuries. There is no magic pill or secret ingredient.
Each path has its trade offs.
I’ve tried both. Reaching 10k in software engineering salary took longer but easier and more predictable. My first profitable business attempt was a tiny bootcamp school (about software engineering obviously) and it never reached 10k of my own income due to lack of business experience and motivation.
Choose a field where 1. There is enough capacity to reach the number with just a hard work (software engineering, finance, law, real estate etc)
2. You feel comfortable and genuinely longterm interested in (most important criteria).
What else do you expect to hear on a forum like this?
I bet LLM would give you similar answer :)
Comment by fdgd555 1 day ago
Really? Seems like large scale grifts are in and basically legal now, starting with crypto.
> I bet LLM would give you similar answer :)
Wow! You think that is something to be proud of!? That is...just, wow.
Comment by b_mutea 1 day ago
Comment by y42 16 hours ago
If you see people pulling things off, what you don't see is: People not pulling off. And they are the vast majority. They invest money and time and nothing happens.
To be more "philosophical": It's a mix of luck, talent and dedication where one can substitute the other to a certain degree.
(Sorry, I know not helpful in your current situation, but I was triggered to answer the first part of your post - best of luck however!)
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Comment by stumpyfr 1 day ago
Then decide between option1 or 2.
Option 1: Start by taking a "random IT integrator/service job" to keep your flat and food on the table, stop even thinking about building and "vibing" something. Just take a job, large "consulting" companies are easy to join as entry-level and will give you enough to survive, but far from your 10k dream.
Stabilise your finances, take time to refine your ideas and plan the next step without the stress to not knowing if you will be homeless or hungry next month.
Option 2: Play the local lottery and tomorrow, GOTO option 1
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Comment by dzonga 1 day ago
only viable option in an economy that's not hiring is to hire yourself - but don't swing for the fences - just small scale stuff e.g 250 people paying you $40/month
Comment by dzonga 1 day ago
not as sexy as ML etc that HN raves about but you will survive
Comment by pickleglitch 1 day ago
Ouch, hoisted by your own petard. Start a Substack positioning yourself as a reformed AI enthusiast who now rails against the economic havoc the technology leaves in its wake. I'm only half joking. A lot of folks on Substack are pretty hostile toward AI, and they would probably eat that up.
Comment by b_mutea 1 day ago
Another reason, Substack payments channels are not available in some regions which means you can't have some premium posts and again just redirecting to a lets say Buy Me Coffee page does not always work to a majority of people there.
Maybe you could have some tips on how to approach this in your experience
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Comment by hu3 1 day ago
Painting walls. Fastfood. Construction helper. Anything.
Only then start thinking about meaningful jobs.
Career is a steep ladder for us mortals that don't have rich families to lift us to the 100th floor with their financial and network elevators.
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Comment by trilogic 1 day ago
Step 2 If you know ML/AI then send 10000 applications this weekend for job positions (whatever you may like).
Step 3 Wait till Monday.
Comment by b_mutea 1 day ago
What about step 1? I seem not to get the 'may be toxic part'
Comment by trilogic 1 day ago
Good luck.
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Comment by peter_d_sherman 1 day ago
Why not create a broker website between people who are getting eviction notices and Lawyers who specifically help people who are getting eviction notices?
That is, use what you are...
Or rather (phrased another way),
use the set of circumstances you are in, to turn around the set of circumstances that you're in.
It may sound meta, but if you individually are having a problem -- then so are a ton of other people as well!
If solving that problem has value to you, then such a solution is worth money.
If many people are also having that problem, then solutions to that problem are also worth money to them!
Sure, a legal solution, for example, finding an appropriate Lawyer to extend the point in time before eviction for say, 1-2 months (or whatever can be done) may be a suboptimal partial solution (in an ideal world, you'd like your rent to be free forever, as would everyone else), but the thing is,
even suboptimal partial solutions are worth money, if only a little bit of money...
Phrased another way,
there's money to be made by acting as a broker between people with eviction problems and the subset of Lawyers who specialize in that field, who could potentially ameliorate that problem if only a tiny amount, if only a little bit...
There's also money to be made in books and online reports... "What to do if you get an eviction notice".
Which such a book or report might not be worth the price of rent (obviously if someone had the rent money they'd pay it, problem solved), that information may be worth $19.95, or something in that ballpark...
Scaled across thousands of people with the same problem -- and we're looking at some decent money!
It probably won't make you rich or anything... but (and this is going to sound "evil" -- but it is not intentionally so!) it might make you enough money to pay your rent! :-)
use what you are
use the set of circumstances you are in, to turn around the set of circumstances that you're in.
Education, Knowledge, and Experience are everything...
Money, if it exists, if it exists at all, exists relative to, as an effect of these things...
Do you know everything possible about every single Landlord/Tenant Law and every single possible way to resolve an eviction notice?
If not... then I'd suggest that you are in one hell of an opportunity to learn everything you can about the matter!
Expertise (in any subject matter) translates to being sought, to being paid (sometimes very highly!) by others in return for advice, in return for knowledge, in return for communicated experience...
Money will naturally follow you with this learning once you have it, and once you monetize it -- although this will probably not happen today or tomorrow -- but it will in the future, if you can see the opportunity and capture it!
use what you are
use the set of circumstances you are in, to turn around the set of circumstances that you're in
Wishing you well in this... experience!
(You know, for lack of a better term! :-) )
Comment by ada1981 1 day ago
For me, getting a Skoolie and subletting my apt in NYC gave me a great foundation
1. I was able to sublet my furnished place in nyc for $1k more than rent and make money while traveling.
2. I was able to work remote visiting clients and spending time in nature.
3. It provided a certain kind of daily challenge that was great for me.
4. The adventure was incredible and I fell in love with the road. I thought I’d spend a month or three cruising around but it ended up about over 3 years.
5. I followed my heart and the weather to hot springs Arkansas to watch the total eclipse and met a woman who I just got engaged to (while in Antarctica at an AI conference).
6. My business has been the best it’s ever been and put me into a top 1% income.
I wasn’t broke when I started but it was amazing to have a sense that even if I was I could buy a big bag of beans and rice, head to a gorgeous piece of free federal BLM land, run my laptop on solar and use my cell WiFi to figure it out.
Beyond that, figure out what problem you want to solve for the world and go find people working on that problem and help them.