GPTZero finds 100 new hallucinations in NeurIPS 2025 accepted papers
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Comment by j2kun 2 days ago
The paper was https://openreview.net/forum?id=0ZnXGzLcOg and the problem flagged was "Two authors are omitted and one (Kyle Richardson) is added. This paper was published at ICLR 2024." I.e., for one cited paper, the author list was off and the venue was wrong. And this citation was mentioned in the background section of the paper, and not fundamental to the validity of the paper. So the citation was not fabricated, but it was incorrectly attributed (perhaps via use of an AI autocomplete).
I think there are some egregious papers in their dataset, and this error does make me pause to wonder how much of the rest of the paper used AI assistance. That said, the "single error" papers in the dataset seem similar to the one I checked: relatively harmless and minor errors (which would be immediately caught by a DOI checker), and so I have to assume some of these were included in the dataset mainly to amplify the author's product pitch. It succeeded.
Comment by i_am_proteus 2 days ago
And this is what's operative here. The error spotted, the entire class of error spotted, is easily checked/verified by a non-domain expert. These are the errors we can confirm readily, with obvious and unmistakable signature of hallucination.
If these are the only errors, we are not troubled. However: we do not know if these are the only errors, they are merely a signature that the paper was submitted without being thoroughly checked for hallucinations. They are a signature that some LLM was used to generate parts of the paper and the responsible authors used this LLM without care.
Checking the rest of the paper requires domain expertise, perhaps requires an attempt at reproducing the authors' results. That the rest of the paper is now in doubt, and that this problem is so widespread, threatens the validity of the fundamental activity these papers represent: research.
Comment by neilv 1 day ago
I am troubled by people using an LLM at all to write academic research papers.
It's a shoddy, irresponsible way to work. And also plagiarism, when you claim authorship of it.
I'd see a failure of the 'author' to catch hallucinations, to be more like a failure to hide evidence of misconduct.
If academic venues are saying that using an LLM to write your papers is OK ("so long as you look it over for hallucinations"?), then those academic venues deserve every bit of operational pain and damaged reputation that will result.
Comment by derefr 1 day ago
Google Translate et al were never good enough at this task to actually allow people to use the results for anything professional. Previous tools were limited to getting a rough gloss of what words in another language mean.
But LLMs can be used in this way, and are being used in this way; and this is increasingly allowing non-English-fluent academics to publish papers in English-language journals (thus engaging with the English-language academic community), where previously those academics they may have felt "stuck" publishing in what few journals exist for their discipline in their own language.
Would you call the use of LLMs for translation "shoddy" or "irresponsible"? To me, it'd be no more and no less "shoddy" or "irresponsible" than it would be to hire a freelance human translator to translate the paper for you. (In fact, the human translator might be a worse idea, as LLMs are more likely to understand how to translate the specific academic jargon of your discipline than a randomly-selected human translator would be.)
Comment by gus_massa 1 day ago
(A friend has an old book translated a long time ago (by a human) from Russian to Spanish. Instead of "complex numbers", the book calls them "complicated numbers". :) )
Comment by derefr 1 day ago
This is because, even in countries with a different primary spoken language, many academic subjects, especially at a graduate level (masters/PhD programs — i.e. when publishing starts to matter), are still taught at universities at least partly in English. The best textbooks are usually written in English (with acceptably-faithful translations of these texts being rarer than you'd think); all the seminal papers one might reference are likely to be in English; etc. For many programs, the ability to read English to some degree is a requirement for attendance.
And yet these same programs are also likely to provide lectures (and TA assistance) in the country's own native language, with the native-language versions of the jargon terms used. And any collaborative work is likely to also occur in the native language. So attendees of such programs end up exposed to both the native-language and English-language terms within their field.
This means that academics in these places often have very little trouble in verifying the fidelity of translation of the jargon in their papers. It's usually all the other stuff in the translation that they aren't sure is correct. But this can be cheaply verified by handing the paper to any fluently-multilingual non-academic and asking them to check the translation, with the instruction to just ignore the jargon terms because they were already verified.
Comment by gus_massa 1 day ago
It depends on the country. Here in Argentina we use a lot of loaned words for technical terms, but I think in Spain they like to translate everything.
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Typically what happens is that translators are given an Excel sheet with the original text in a column, and the translated text must be put into the next column. Because there's no context, it's not necessarily clear to the translator whether the translation for plane should be avion (airplane) or plan (geometric plane). The translator might not ever see the actual software with their translated text.
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Comment by neves 1 day ago
Why is their use more intense in English-speaking universities?
Comment by neilv 1 day ago
You need a way to validate the correctness of the translation, and to be able to stand behind whatever the translation says. And the translation should be disclosed on the paper.
Comment by piyh 1 day ago
I'm an outsider to the academic system. I have cool projects that I feel push some niche application to SOTA in my tiny little domain, which is publishable based on many of the papers I've read.
If I can build a system that does a thing, I can benchmark and prove it's better than previous papers, my main blocker is getting all my work and information into the "Arxiv PDF" format and tone. Seems like a good use of LLMs to me.
Comment by thomasahle 1 day ago
I don't actually mind putting Claude as a co-author on my github commits.
But for papers there are usually so many tools involved. It would be crowded to include each of Claude, Gemini, Codex, Mathematica, Grammarly, Translate etc. as co-authors, even though I used all of them for some parts.
Maybe just having a "tools used" section could work?
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That is a purely imaginary "error". Anywhere you can use 'although', you are free to use 'though' instead.
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Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
It reminds me of kids these days and their fancy calculators! Those new fangled doohickeys just aren't reliable, and the kids never realize that they won't always have a calculator on them! Everyone should just do it the good old fashioned way with slide rules!
Or these darn kids and their unreliable sources like Wikipedia! Everyone knows that you need a nice solid reliable source that's made out of dead trees and fact checked but up to 3 paid professionals!
Comment by usefulcat 1 day ago
Sure, maybe someday LLMs will be able to report facts in a mostly reliable fashion (like a typical calculator), but we're definitely not even close to that yet, so until we are the skepticism is very much warranted. Especially when the details really do matter, as in scientific research.
Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
LLM's do not work reliably, that's not their purpose.
If you use them that way it's akin to using a butter knife as a screwdriver. You might get away with it once or twice, but then you slip and stab yourself. Better to go find screwdriver if you need reliable.
Comment by westurner 1 day ago
Reproducibility and repeatability in the sciences?
Replication crisis > Causes > Problems with the publication system in science > Mathematical errors; Causes > Questionable research practices > In AI research, Remedies > [..., open science, reproducible workflows, disclosure, ] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#Mathematica...
Already verifiable proofs are too impossibly many pages for human review
There are "verify each Premise" and "verify the logical form of the Argument" (P therefore Q) steps that still the model doesn't do for the user.
For your domain, how insufficient is the output given process as a prompt like:
Identify hallucinations from models prior to (date in the future)
Check each sentence of this: ```{...}```
Research ScholarlyArticles (and then their Datasets) which support and which reject your conclusions. Critically review findings and controls.
Suggest code to write to apply data science principles to proving correlative and causative relations given already-collected observations.
Design experiment(s) given the scientific method to statistically prove causative (and also correlative) relations
Identify a meta-analytic workflow (process, tools, schema, and maybe code) for proving what is suggested by this chat
Comment by foxes 1 day ago
As a professional mathematician I used wikipedia all the time to lookup quick facts before verifying it myself or elsewhere. A calculator well; I can use an actual programming language.
Up until this point neither of those tools were asvertised or used by people to entirely replace human input.
Comment by ekidd 1 day ago
In a few cases, I see Terrance Tao has pointed out examples LLMs actually finding proofs of open problems unassisted. Not necessarily problems anyone cared deeply about. But there's still the fact that if the proof holds, then it's valid no matter who or what came up with it.
So it's complicated I guess?
Comment by sodapopcan 1 day ago
AI People: "AI is a completely unprecedented technology where its introduction is unlike the introduction of any other transformative technology in history! We must treat it totally differently!"
Also AI People: "You're worried about nothing, this is just like when people were worried about the internet."
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Comment by andrepd 1 day ago
Except they are (unlike a chatbot, a calculator is perfectly deterministic), and the unreliability of LLMs is one of their most, if not the most, widespread target of criticism.
Low effort doesn't even begin to describe your comment.
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Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
LLM's are supposed to be stochastic. That is not a bug, I can see why you find that disappointing but it's just the reality of the tool.
However, as I mentioned elsewhere calculators also have bugs and those bugs make their way into scientific research all the time. Floating point errors are particularly common, as are order of operations problems because physical devices get it wrong frequently and are hard to patch. Worse, they are not SUPPOSED TO BE stochastic so when they fail nobody notices until it's far too late. [0 - PDF]
Further, spreadsheets are no better, for example a scan of ~3,600 genomics papers found that about 1 in 5 had gene‑name errors (e.g., SEPT2 → “2‑Sep”) because that's how Excel likes to format things.[1] Again, this is much worse than a stochastic machine doing it's stochastic job... because it's not SUPPOSED to be random, it's just broken and on a truly massive scale.
[0] https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/7fce5b73-1...
[1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/26/an-al...
Comment by raddan 1 day ago
Nobody can tell you what you are going to get when you run an LLM once. Nobody can tell you what you’re going to get when you run it N times. There are, in fact, no guarantees at all. Nobody even really knows why it can solve some problems and why it can’t solve other except maybe it memorized the answer at some point. But this is not how they are marketed.
They are marketed as wondrous inventions that can SOLVE EVERYTHING. This is obviously not true. You can verify it yourself, with a simple deterministic problem: generate an arithmetic expression of length N. As you increase N, the probability that an LLM can solve it drops to zero.
Ok, fine. This kind of problem is not a good fit for an LLM. But which is? And after you’ve found a problem that seems like a good fit, how do you know? Did you test it systematically? The big LLM vendors are fudging the numbers. They’re testing on the training set, they’re using ad hoc measurements and so on. But don’t take my word for it. There’s lots of great literature out there that probes the eccentricities of these models; for some reason this work rarely makes its way into the HN echo chamber.
Now I’m not saying these things are broken and useless. Far from it. I use them every day. But I don’t trust anything they produce, because there are no guarantees, and I have been burned many times. If you have not been burned, you’re either exceptionally lucky, you are asking it to solve homework assignments, or you are ignoring the pain.
Excel bugs are not the same thing. Most of those problems can be found trivially. You can find them because Excel is a language with clear rules (just not clear to those particular users). The problem with Excel is that people aren’t looking for bugs.
Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
> Did you test it systematically?
Yes! That is exactly the right way to use them. For example, when I'm vibe coding I don't ask it to write code. I ask it to write unit tests. THEN I verify that the test is actually testing for the right things with my own eyeballs. THEN I ask it to write code that passes the unit tests.
Same with even text formatting. Sometimes I ask it to write a pydantic script to validate text inputs of "x" format. Often writing the text to specify the format is itself a major undertaking. Then once the script is working I ask for the text, and tell it to use the script to validate it. After that I can know that I can expect deterministic results, though it often takes a few tries for it to pass the validator.
You CAN get deterministic results, you just have to adapt your expectations to match what the tool is capable of instead of expecting your hammer to magically be a great screwdriver.
I do agree that the SOLVE EVERYTHING crowd are severely misguided, but so are the SOLVE NOTHING crowd. It's a tool, just use it properly and all will be well.
Comment by neilv 1 day ago
In an academic paper, you condense a lot of thinking and work, into a writeup.
Why would you blow off the writeup part, and impose AI slop upon the reviewers and the research community?
Comment by HKH2 1 day ago
They should still review the final result though. There is no excuse for not doing that.
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Comment by api 1 day ago
I do think they can be used in research but not without careful checking. In my own work I’ve found them most useful as search aids and brainstorming sounding boards.
Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
Of course you are right. It is the same with all tools, calculators included, if you use them improperly you get poor results.
In this case they're stochastic, which isn't something people are used to happening with computers yet. You have to understand that and learn how to use them or you will get poor results.
Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
I made this a separate comment, because it's wildly off topic, but... they actually aren't. Especially for very large numbers or for high precision. When's the last time you did a firmware update on yours?
It's fairly trivial to find lists of calculator flaws and then identify them in research papers. I recall reading a research paper about it in the 00's.
Comment by ragnarok451 1 day ago
I do think it can be used in research but not without careful checking. In my own work I've found it most useful as a search aid and for brainstorming.
^ this same comment 10 years ago
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Comment by mapontosevenths 1 day ago
This is really just restating what I already said in this thread, but you're right. That's because wikipedia isn't a primary source and was never, ever meant to be. You are SUPPOSED to go read it then click through to the primary sources and cite those.
Lots of people use it incorrectly and get bad results because they still haven't realized this... all these years later.
Same thing with treating stochastic LLM's like sources of truth and knowledge. Those folks are just doing it wrong.
Comment by aydyn 1 day ago
To me, this is a reminder of how much of a specific minority this forum is.
Nobody I know in real life, personally or at work, has expressed this belief.
I have literally only ever encountered this anti-AI extremism (extremism in the non-pejorative sense) in places like reddit and here.
Clearly, the authors in NeurIPS don't agree that using an LLM to help write is "plagiarism", and I would trust their opinions far more than some random redditor.
Comment by BobbyJo 1 day ago
TBF, most people in real life don't even know how AI works to any degree, so using that as an argument that parent's opinion is extreme is kind of circular reasoning.
> I have literally only ever encountered this anti-AI extremism (extremism in the non-pejorative sense) in places like reddit and here.
I don't see parent's opinions as anti-AI. It's more an argument about what AI is currently, and what research is supposed to be. AI is existing ideas. Research is supposed to be new ideas. If much of your research paper can be written by AI, I call into question whether or not it represents actual research.
Comment by michaelt 1 day ago
One would hope the authors are forming a hypothesis, performing an experiment, gathering and analysing results, and only then passing it to the AI to convert it into a paper.
If I have a theory that, IDK, laser welds in a sine wave pattern are stronger than laser welds in a zigzag pattern - I've still got to design the exact experimental details, obtain all the equipment and consumables, cut a few dozen test coupons, weld them, strength test them, and record all the measurements.
Obviously if I skipped the experimentation and just had an AI fabricate the results table, that's academic misconduct of the clearest form.
Comment by BobbyJo 19 hours ago
My brother in law is a professor, and he has a pretty bad opinion of colleagues that use LLMs to write papers, as his field (economics) doesn't involve much experimentation, and instead relies on data analysis, simulation, and reasoning. It seemed to me like the LLM assisted papers that he's seen have mostly been pretty low impact filler papers.
Comment by aydyn 1 day ago
How about the authors who do research for NeurIPS? Do they know how AI works?
Comment by Intermernet 1 day ago
As the wise woman once said "Ain't nobody got time for that".
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It seems to me like most of the LLM benchmarks wind up being gamed. So, even if there were a good benchmark there, which I do not believe there is, the validity of the benchmark would likely diminish pretty quickly.
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> Plagiarism is using someone else's words, ideas, or work as your own without proper credit, a serious breach of ethics leading to academic failure, job loss, or legal issues, and can range from copying text (direct) to paraphrasing without citation (mosaic), often detected by software and best avoided by meticulous citation, quoting, and paraphrasing to show original thought and attribution.
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Comment by falkensmaize 1 day ago
Where does this bizarre impulse to dogmatically defend LLM output come from? I don’t understand it.
If AI is a reliable and quality tool, that will become evident without the need to defend it - it’s got billions (trillions?) of dollars backstopping it. The skeptical pushback is WAY more important right now than the optimistic embrace.
Comment by cthalupa 1 day ago
Meanwhile this entire comment thread is about what appears to be, as fumi2026 points out in their comment, a predatory marketing play by a startup hoping to capitalize on the exact sort of anti AI sentiment that you seem to think is important... just because there is pro AI sentiment?
Naming and shaming everyday researchers based on the idea that they have let hallucinations slip into their paper all because your own AI model has decided thatit was AI so you can signal boost your product seems pretty shitty and exploitative to me, and is only viable as a product and marketing strategy because of the visceral anti AI sentiment in some places.
Comment by falkensmaize 1 day ago
No that’s a straw man, sorry. Skepticism is not the same thing as irrational rejection. It means that I don’t believe you until you’ve proven with evidence that what you’re saying is true.
The efficacy and reliability of LLMs requires proof. Ai companies are pouring extraordinary, unprecedented amounts of money into promoting the idea that their products are intelligent and trustworthy. That marketing push absolutely dwarfs the skeptical voices and that’s what makes those voices more important at the moment. If the researchers named have claims made against them that aren’t true, that should be a pretty easy thing for them to refute.
Comment by cthalupa 16 hours ago
If you are saying that people are not making irrational and intellectually dishonest arguments about AI, I can't believe that we're reading the same articles and same comments.
Comment by rustystump 1 day ago
However, i think any one who is still skeptical of the real efficacy is willfully ignorant. This is not a moral endorsement on how it was made or if it is moral to use but god damn it is a game changer across vast domains.
Comment by necovek 1 day ago
Which means that it's still not a given, though there are obviously cases where individual cases seem to be good proof of it.
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Comment by cthalupa 16 hours ago
No, obviously not. You're confusing a marketing post by people with a product to sell with an actual review of the work by the relevant community, or even review by interested laypeople.
This is a marketing post where they provide no evidence that any of these are hallucinations beyond their own AI tool telling them so - and how do we know it isn't hallucinating? Are there hallucinations in there? Almost certainly. Would the authors deserve being called out by people reviewing their work? Sure.
But what people don't deserve is an unrelated VC funded tech company jumping in and claiming all of their errors are LLM hallucinations when they have no actual proof, painting them all a certain way so they can sell their product.
> Don’t publish things that aren’t verified and you won’t have a problem
If we were holding this company to the same standard, this blog wouldn't be posted either. They have not and can not verify their claims - they can't even say that their claims are based on their own investigations.
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That's quite a bit different than a study being funded by someone with a product to sell.
Comment by neilv 1 day ago
Or they didn't consider that it arguably fell within academia's definition of plagiarism.
Or they thought they could get away with it.
Why is someone behaving questionably the authority on whether that's OK?
> Nobody I know in real life, personally or at work, has expressed this belief. I have literally only ever encountered this anti-AI extremism (extremism in the non-pejorative sense) in places like reddit and here.
It's not "anti-AI extremism".
If no one you know has said, "Hey, wait a minute, if I'm copy&pasting this text I didn't write, and putting my name on it, without credit or attribution, isn't that like... no... what am I missing?" then maybe they are focused on other angles.
That doesn't mean that people who consider different angles than your friends do are "extremist".
They're only "extremist" in the way that anyone critical at all of 'crypto' was "extremist", to the bros pumping it. Not coincidentally, there's some overlap in bros between the two.
Comment by aydyn 1 day ago
Because they are not. Using AI to help writing is something literally every company is pushing for.
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Secondly, even if it is true that it is a majority opinion in society doesn't mean it's right. Society at large often misunderstands how technology works and what risks it brings and what are its inevitable downstream effects. It was a majority opinion in society for decades or centuries that smoking is neutral to your health - that doesn't mean they were right.
Comment by aydyn 1 day ago
That its a majority opinion instead of a tiny minority opinion is a strong signal that its more likely to be correct. For example its a majority opinion that murder is bad; this has held true for millennia.
Heres a simpler explanation: toaster frickers tend to seek out other toaster frickers online in niche communities. Occams razor.
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I don’t love ai either, but that’s the truth.
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Comment by fn-mote 1 day ago
I am unconvinced that the particular error mentioned above is a hallucination, and even less convinced that it is a sign of some kind of rampant use of AI.
I hope to find better examples later in the comment section.
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I do not believe the placeholder citation theory at all.
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Well, to be fair, I did encounter this from actual human peer reviewers before the whole LLM thing. People do that.
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Also everyone I know has been relying on google scholar for 10+ years. Is that AI-ish? There are definitely errors on there. If you would extrapolate from citation issues to the content in the age of LLMs, were you doing so then as well?
It's the age-old debate about spelling/grammar issues in technical work. In my experience it rarely gets to the point that these errors eg from non-native speakers affect my interpretation. Others claim to infer shoddy content.
Comment by andy12_ 1 day ago
Given how stupidly tedious and error-prone citations are, I have no trouble believing that the citation error could be the only major problem with the paper, and that it's not a sign of low quality by itself. It would be another matter entirely if we were talking about something actually important to the ideas presented in the paper, but it isn't.
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What I find more interesting is how easy these errors are to introduce and how unlikely they are to be caught. As you point out, a DOI checker would immediately flag this. But citation verification isn’t a first-class part of the submission or review workflow today.
We’re still treating citations as narrative text rather than verifiable objects. That implicit trust model worked when volumes were lower, but it doesn’t seem to scale anymore
There’s a project I’m working on at Duke University, where we are building a system that tries to address exactly this gap by making references and review labor explicit and machine verifiable at the infrastructure level. There’s a short explainer here that lays out what we mean, if useful context helps: https://liberata.info/
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I wouldn't trust today's GPT-5-with-web-search to do turn a bullet point list of papers into proper citations without checking myself, but maybe I will trust GPT-X-plus-agent to do this.
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...and including the erroneous entry is squarely the author's fault.
Papers should be carefully crafted, not churned out.
I guess that makes me sweetly naive
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Comment by bonzini 1 day ago
Typically when you add it you get the info from another paper or copy the bibtex entry from Google scholar, but it's really at most 10 minutes work, more likely 2-5. Every paper might have 5-10 new entries in the bibliography, so that's 1 hour or less of work?
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> Papers should be carefully crafted, not churned out.
I think you can say the same thing for code and yet, even with code review, bugs slip by. People aren't perfect and problems happen. Trying to prevent 100% of problems is usually a bad cost/benefit trade-off.
Comment by miki123211 1 day ago
The entire idea of super-detailed citations is itself quite outdated in my view. Sure, citing the work you rely on is important, but that could be done just as well via hyperlinks. It's not like anybody (exclusively) relies on printed versions any more.
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There was dumb stuff like this before the GPT era, it's far from convincing
Comment by ls612 2 days ago
Also, in my field (economics), by far the biggest source of finding old papers invalid (or less valid, most papers state multiple results) is good old fashioned coding bugs. I'd like to see the software engineers on this site say with a straight face that writing bugs should lead to jail time.
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My hand is up.
I do not believe in gaol, but I do agree with the sentiment.
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Mr. Turing and his halting problem would like to politely disagree with this assertion.
Comment by ted_dunning 1 day ago
Getting all possible software correct is impossible, clearly. Getting all the software you release is more possible because you can choose not to release the software that it is too hard to prove correct.
Not that the suggestion is practical or likely, but your assertion that it is impossible is incorrect.
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I don’t think the point being made is “errors didn’t happen pre-GPT”, rather the tasks of detecting errors have become increasingly difficult because of the associated effects of GPT.
Comment by ctoth 2 days ago
Did the increase to submissions to NeurIPS from 2020 to 2025 happen because ChatGPT came out in November of 2022? Or was AI getting hotter and hotter during this period, thereby naturally increasing submissions to ... an AI conference?
Comment by mturmon 1 day ago
I'm sure people made mistakes on their bibliographies at that time as well!
And did we all really dig up and read Metropolis, Rosenbluth, Rosenbluth, Teller, and Teller (1953)?
Edited to add: Someone made a chart! Here: https://papercopilot.com/statistics/neurips-statistics/
You can see the big bump after the book-length restriction was lifted, and the exponential rise starting ~2016.
Comment by dekhn 1 day ago
I had to go to the basement of the library, use some sort of weird rotating knob to move a heavy stack of journals over, find some large bound book of the year's journals, and navigate to the paper. When I got the page, it had been cut out by somebody previous and replaced with a photocopied verison.
(I also invested a HUGE amount of my time into my bibliography in every paper I've written as first author, curating a database and writing scripts to format in the various journal formats. This involved multiple independent checks from several sources, repeated several times.
Comment by mturmon 1 day ago
The real challenges there aren't the "biggies" above, though, it's the ones in obscure journals you have to get copies of by inter-library agreements. My PhD was in applied probability and I was always happy if there were enough equations so that I could parse out the French or Russian-language explanation nearby.
Comment by bsder 1 day ago
If you didn't, you are lying. Full stop.
If you cite something, yes, I expect that you, at least, went back and read the original citation.
The whole damn point of a citation is to provide a link for the reader. If you didn't find it worth the minimal amount of time to go read, then why would your reader? And why did you inflict it on them?
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In mathematics/applied math consider cited papers claimed to establish a certain result, but where that was not quite what was shown. Or, there is in effect no earthly way to verify that it does.
Or even: the community agrees it was shown there, but perhaps has lost intimate contact with the details — I’m thinking about things like Laplace’s CLT (published in French), or the original form of the Glivenko-Cantelli theorem (published in Italian). These citations happen a lot, and we should not pretend otherwise.
Here’s the example that crystallized that for me. “VC dimension” is a much-cited combinatorial concept/lemma. It’s typical for a very hard paper of Saharon Shelah (https://projecteuclid.org/journalArticle/Download?urlId=pjm%...) to be cited, along with an easier paper of Norbert Sauer. There are currently 800 citations of Shelah’s paper.
I read a monograph by noted mathematician David Pollard covering this work. Pollard, no stranger to doing the hard work, wrote (probably in an endnote) that Shelah’s paper was often cited, but he could not verify that it established the result at all. I was charmed by the candor.
This was the first acknowledgement I had seen that something was fishy with all those citations.
By this time, I had probably seen Shelah’s paper cited 50 times. Let’s just say that there is no way all 50 of those citing authors (now grown to 800) were working their way through a dense paper on transfinite cardinals to verify this had anything to do with VC dimension.
Of course, people were wanting to give credit. So their intentions were perhaps generous. But in no meaningful sense had they “read” this paper.
So I guess the short answer to your question is, citations serve more uses than telling readers to literally read the cited work, and by extension, should not always taken to mean that the cited work was indeed read.
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Well the title says ”hallucinations”, not ”fabrications”. What you describe sounds exactly like what AI builders call hallucinations.
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Not to say that you could ever feasibly detect all AI-generated text, but if it's possible for people to develop a sense for the tropes of LLM content then there's no reason you couldn't detect it algorithmically.
Comment by janalsncm 22 hours ago
For any real world classifier there is a precision/recall tradeoff. Do you care more about false positives or false negatives? If you choose to truly minimize false positives you should simply always predict negative.
For your example “it’s not just X it’s Y” I agree it’s a red flag. But the origin of the pattern is from human text which the LLM picked up on. So some people did (and likely still do) use that construction.
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They are not harmless. These hallucinated references are ingested by Google Scholar, Scopus, etc., and with enough time they will poison those wells. It is also plain academic malpractice, no matter how "minor" the reference is.
Comment by StopDisinfo910 1 day ago
If the mistake is one error of author and location in a citation, I find it fairly disingenuous to call that an hallucination. At least, it doesn't meet the threshold for me.
I have seen this kind of mistakes done long before LLM were even a thing. We used to call them that: mistakes.
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> I don't share your view that hallucinated citations are less damaging in background section.
Who exactly is damaged in this particular instance?
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There is already a problem with papers falsifying data/samples/etc, LLMs being able to put out plausible papers is just going to make it worse.
On the bright side, maybe this will get the scientific community and science journalists to finally take reproducibility more seriously. I'd love to see future reporting that instead of saying "Research finds amazing chemical x which does y" you see "Researcher reproduces amazing results for chemical x which does y. First discovered by z".
Comment by vld_chk 2 days ago
Until we can change how we fund science on the fundamental level; how we assign grants — it will be indeed very hard problem to deal with.
Comment by parpfish 2 days ago
But the problem isn’t just funding, it’s time. Successfully running a replication doesn’t get you a publication to help your career.
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The question is, how can universities coordinate to add this requirement and gain status from it
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Grant awarding institutions like the NIH and NSF presumably? The NSF has as one of its functions, “to develop and encourage the pursuit of a national policy for the promotion of basic research and education in the sciences”. Encouraging the replication of research as part of graduate degree curricula seems to fall within bounds. And the government’s interest in science isn’t novelty per se, it’s the creation and dissemination of factually correct information that can be useful to its constituents.
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> And the government’s interest in science isn’t novelty per se, it’s the creation and dissemination of factually correct information that can be useful to its constituents.
This sounds very naive.
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A single university or even department could make this change - reproduction is the important work, reproduction is what earns a PhD. Or require some split, 20-50% novel work maybe is also expected. Now the incentives are changed. Potentially, this university develops a reputation for reliable research. Others may follow suit.
Presumably, there's a step in this process where money incentivizes the opposite of my suggestion, and I'm not familiar with the process to know which.
Is it the university itself which will be starved of resources if it's not pumping out novel (yet unreproducible) research?
Comment by worik 2 days ago
That is good practice
It is rare, not common. Managers and funders pay for features
Unreliable insecure software sells very well, so making reliable secure software is a "waste of money", generally
Comment by DSMan195276 1 day ago
> Is it the university itself which will be starved of resources if it's not pumping out novel (yet unreproducible) research?
Researchers apply for grants to fund their research, the university is generally not paying for it and instead they receive a cut of the grant money if it is awarded (IE. The grant covers the costs to the university for providing the facilities to do the research). If a researcher could get funding to reproduce a result then they could absolutely do it, but that's not what funds are usually being handed out for.
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In a lot of cases, the salary for a grad student or tech is small potatoes next to the cost of the consumables they use in their work.
For example,I work for a lab that does a lot of sequencing, and if we’re busy one tech can use 10k worth of reagents in a week.
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But two, and more importantly, no one is checking.
Tree falls in the forest, no one hears, yadi-yada.
Comment by godelski 2 days ago
You'll notice you can click on author names and you'll get links to their various scholar pages but notably DBLP, which makes it easy to see how frequently authors publish with other specific authors.
Some of those authors have very high citation counts... in the thousands, with 3 having over 5k each (one with over 18k).
Comment by iugtmkbdfil834 2 days ago
I think this is the big part of it. There is no incentive to do it even when the study can be reproduced.
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The final bit is a thing I think most people miss when they think about replication. A lot of papers don't get replicated directly but their measurements do when other researchers try to use that data to perform their own experiments, at least in the more physical sciences this gets tougher the more human centric the research is. You can't fake or be wrong for long when you're writing papers about the properties of compounds and molecules. Someone is going to come try to base some new idea off your data and find out you're wrong when their experiment doesn't work. (or spend months trying to figure out what's wrong and finally double check the original data).
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(People are better about this in psychology, now: schoolchildren are taught about some of the more egregious cases, even before university, and individual researchers are much more willing to take a sceptical view of certain suspect classes of "prevailing understanding". The fact that even I, a non-psychologist, know about this, is good news. But what of the fields whose practitioners don't know they have this problem?)
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(1) An experiment I was setting up using the same method both on a protein previously analyzed by the lab as a control and some new ones yielded consistently "wonky" results (read: need different method, as additional interactions are implied that make standard method inappropriate) in both. I wasn't even in graduate school yet and was assumed to simply be doing shoddy work, after all, the previous work was done by a graduate student who is now faculty at Harvard, so clearly someone better trained and more capable. Well, I finally went through all of his poorly marked lab notebooks and got all of his raw data... his data had the same "wonkiness," as mine, he just presumably wanted to stick to that method and "fixed" it with extreme cherry-picking and selective reporting. Did the PI whose lab I was in publish a retraction or correction? No, it would be too embarrassing to everyone involved, so the bad numbers and data live on.
(2) A model or, let's say "computational method," was calibrated on a relatively small, incomplete, and partially hypothetical data-set maybe 15 years ago, but, well, that was what people had. There are many other models that do a similar task, by the way, no reason to use this one... except this one was produced by the lab I was in at the time. I was told to use the results of this one into something I was working on and instead, when reevaluating it on the much larger data-set we have now, found it worked no better than chance. Any correction or mention of this outside the lab? No, and even in the lab, the PI reacted extremely poorly and I was forced to run numerous additional experiments which all showed the same thing, that there was basically no context this model was useful. I found a different method worked better and subsequently, had my former advisor "forget" (for the second time) to write and submit his portion of a fellowship he previously told me to apply to. This model is still tweaked in still useless ways and trotted out in front of the national body that funds a "core" grant that the PI basically uses as a slush fund, as sign of the "core's" "computational abilities." One of the many reasons I ended up switching labs. PI is a NAS member, by the way, and also auto-rejects certain PIs from papers and grants because "he just doesn't like their research" (i.e. they pissed him off in some arbitrary way), also flew out a member of the Swedish RAS and helped them get an American appointment seemingly in exchange for winning a sub-Nobel prize for research... they basically had nothing to do with, also used to basically use various members as free labor on super random stuff to faculty who approved his grants, so you know the type.
(3) Well, here's a fun one with real stakes. Amyloid-β oligomers, field already rife with fraud. A lab that supposedly has real ones kept "purifying" them for the lab involved in 2, only for the vial to come basically destroyed. This happened multiple times, leading them to blame the lab, then shipping. Okay, whatever. They send raw material, tell people to follow a protocol carefully to make new ones. Various different people try, including people who are very, very careful with such methods and can make everything else. Nobody can make them. The answer is "well, you guys must suck at making them." Can anyone else get the protocol right? Well, not really... But, admittedly, someone did once get a different but similar protocol to work only under the influence of a strong magnetic field, so maybe there's something weird going on in their building that they actually don't know about and maybe they're being truthful. But, alternatively, they're coincidentally the only lab in the world that can make super special sauce, and everybody else is just a shitty scientist. Does anyone really dig around? No, why would a PI doing what the PI does in 2 want to make an unnecessary enemy of someone just as powerful and potentially shitty? Predators don't like fighting.
(4) Another one that someone just couldn't replicate at all, poured four years into it, origin was a big lab. Same vibe as third case, "you guys must just suck at doing this," then "well, I can't get in contact with the graduate student who wrote the paper, they're now in consulting, and I can't find their data either." No retraction or public comment, too big of a name to complain about except maybe on PubPeer. Wasted an entire R21.
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But without repetition being impactful to your career and the pressure to quickly and constantly push new work, a failure to reproduce is generally considered a reason to move on and tackle a different domain. It takes longer to trace the failure and the bar is higher to counter an existing work. It's much more likely you've made a subtle mistake. It's much more likely the other work had a subtle success. It's much more likely the other work simply wasn't written such that a work could be sufficiently reproduced.
I speak from experience too. I still remember in grad school I was failing to reproduce a work that was the main competitor to the work I had done (I needed to create comparisons). I emailed the author and got no response. Luckily my advisor knew the author's advisor and we got a meeting set up and I got the code. It didn't do what was claimed in the paper and the code structure wasn't what was described either. The result? My work didn't get published and we moved on. The other work was from a top 10 school and the choice was to burn a bridge and put a black mark on my reputation (from someone with far more merit and prestige) or move on.
That type of thing won't change in a reproduction system but needs an open system and open reproduction system as well. Mistakes are common and we shouldn't punish them. The only way to solve these issues is openness
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Not if the result you're building off of is a model, you can just assume it
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You can assume a model is true but you know what they say about assumptions
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academia is too fragmented and extremely inefficient
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of course the problem is that academia likes to assert its autonomy (and grant orgs are staffed by academia largely)
Comment by StableAlkyne 2 days ago
Most people (that I talk to, at least) in science agree that there's a reproducibility crisis. The challenge is there really isn't a good way to incentivize that work.
Fundamentally (unless you're independent wealthy and funding your own work), you have to measure productivity somehow, whether you're at a university, government lab, or the private sector. That turns out to be very hard to do.
If you measure raw number of papers (more common in developing countries and low-tier universities), you incentivize a flood of junk. Some of it is good, but there is such a tidal wave of shit that most people write off your work as a heuristic based on the other people in your cohort.
So, instead it's more common to try to incorporate how "good" a paper is, to reward people with a high quantity of "good" papers. That's quantifying something subjective though, so you might try to use something like citation count as a proxy: if a work is impactful, usually it gets cited a lot. Eventually you may arrive at something like the H-index, which is defined as "The highest number H you can pick, where H is the number of papers you have written with H citations." Now, the trouble with this method is people won't want to "waste" their time on incremental work.
And that's the struggle here; even if we funded and rewarded people for reproducing results, they will always be bumping up the citation count of the original discoverer. But it's worse than that, because literally nobody is going to cite your work. In 10 years, they just see the original paper, a few citing works reproducing it, and to save time they'll just cite the original paper only.
There's clearly a problem with how we incentivize scientific work. And clearly we want to be in a world where people test reproducibility. However, it's very very hard to get there when one's prestige and livelihood is directly tied to discovery rather than reproducibility.
Comment by gcr 2 days ago
This would especially help newer grad students learn how to begin to do this sort of research.
Maybe doing enough reproductions could unlock incentives. Like if you do 5 reproductions than the AC would assign your next paper double the reviewers. Or, more invasively, maybe you can't submit to the conference until you complete some reproduction.
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1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%...
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If you are thinking about this from an academic angle then sure its sounds weird to say "Two Staff jobs in a row from the University of LinkedIn" as a degree. But I submit this as basically the certificate you desire.
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What if we got Undergrads (with hope of graduate studies) to do it? Could be a great way to train them on the skills required for research without the pressure of it also being novel?
Comment by StableAlkyne 2 days ago
If you're a tenure-track academic, your livelihood is much safer from having them try new ideas (that you will be the corresponding author on, increasing your prestige and ability to procure funding) instead of incrementing.
And if you already have tenure, maybe you have the undergrad do just that. But the tenure process heavily filters for ambitious researchers, so it's unlikely this would be a priority.
If instead you did it as coursework, you could get them to maybe reproduce the work, but if you only have the students for a semester, that's not enough time to write up the paper and make it through peer review (which can take months between iterations)
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It's the Google search algorithm all over again. And it's the certificate trust hierarchy all over again. We keep working on the same problems.
Like the two cases I mentioned, this is a matter of making adjustments until you have the desired result. Never perfect, always improving (well, we hope). This means we need liquidity with the rules and heuristics. How do we best get that?
Comment by sroussey 2 days ago
First X people that reproduce Y get Z percent of patent revenue.
Or something similar.
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But nobody want to pay for it
Comment by geokon 2 days ago
sometimes you can just do something new and assume the previous result, but thats more the exception. youre almost always going to at least in part reproducr the previous one. and if issues come up, its often evident.
thats why citations work as a good proxy. X number of people have done work based around this finding and nobody has seen a clear problem
theres a problem of people fabricating and fudging data and not making their raw data available ("on request" or with not enough meta data to be useful) which wastes everyones time and almost never leads to negative consequences for the authors
Comment by gcr 2 days ago
The difficult part is surfacing that information to readers of the original paper. The semantic scholar people are beginning to do some work in this area.
Comment by geokon 2 days ago
give it a published paper and it runs through papers that have cited it and give you an evaluation
Comment by soiltype 2 days ago
"Dr Alice failed to reproduce 20 would-be headline-grabbing papers, preventing them from sucking all the air out of the room in cancer research" is something laudable, but we're not lauding it.
Comment by graemep 2 days ago
No, you do not have to. You give people with the skills and interest in doing research the money. You need to ensure its spent correctly, that is all. People will be motivated by wanting to build a reputation and the intrinsic reward of the work
Comment by warkdarrior 2 days ago
This is exactly what rewarding replication papers (that reproduce and confirm an existing paper) will lead to.
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Catch-22 is a fun game to get caught in.
Comment by jimbokun 2 days ago
Ban publication of any research that hasn't been reproduced.
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Unless it is published, nobody will know about it and thus nobody will try to reproduce it.
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Paper A, by bob, bill, brad. Validated by Paper B by carol, clare, charlotte.
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Paper A, by bob, bill, brad. Unvalidated.
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Google Scholar's PDF reader extension turns every hyperlinked citation into a popout card that shows citation counts inline in the PDF: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/google-scholar-pdf-...
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I am still reviewing papers that propose solutions based on a technique X, conveniently ignoring research from two years ago that shows that X cannot be used on its own. Both the paper I reviewed and the research showing X cannot be used are in the same venue!
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There is also the reality that "one paper" or "one study" can be found contradicted almost anything, so if you just went with "some other paper/study debunks my premise" then you'd end up producing nothing. Plus many inside know that there's a lot of slop out there that gets published, so they can (sometimes reasonably IMHO) dismiss that "one paper" even when they do know about it.
It's (mostly) not fraud or malicious intent or ignorance, it's (mostly) humans existing in the system in which they must live.
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However, given the feedback by other reviewers, I was the only one who knew that X doesn’t work. I am not sure how these people mark themselves as “experts” in the field if they are not following the literature themselves.
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https://blog.plan99.net/replication-studies-cant-fix-science...
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Funding replication studies in the current environment would just lead to lots of invalid papers being promoted as "fully replicated" and people would be fooled even harder than they already are. There's got to be a fix for the underlying quality issues before replication becomes the next best thing to do.
Comment by biophysboy 2 days ago
HN is very tedious/lazy when it comes to science criticism -- very much agree with you on this.
My only point is replication is necessary to establish validity, even if it is not sufficient. Whether it gives a scientist a false sense of security doesn't change the math of sampling.
I also agree with you on quality issues. I think alternative investment strategies (other than project grants) would be a useful step for reducing perverse incentives, for example. But there's a lot of things science could do.
Comment by doctorpangloss 2 days ago
i don't know how any of that writing generalizes to other parts of academic research. i mean, i know that you say it does, but i don't think it does. what exactly do you think most academic research institutions and the federal government spend money on? for example, wet lab research. you don't know anything about wet lab research. i think if you took a look at a typical e.g. basic science in immunology paper, built on top of mouse models, you would literally lose track of any of its meaning after the first paragraph, you would feed it into chatgpt, and you would struggle to understand the topic well enough to read another immunology paper, you would have an immense challenge talking about it with a researcher in the field. it would take weeks of reading. you have no medicine background, so you wouldn't understand the long horizon context of any of it. you wouldn't be able to "chatbot" your way into it, it would be a real education. so after all of that, would you still be able to write the conclusion you wrote in the medium post? i don't think so, because you would see that by many measures, you cannot generalize a froo-froo policy between "subjective political dispute about COVID-19" writing and wet lab research. you'd gain the wisdom to see that they're different things, and you lack the background, and you'd be much more narrow in what you'd say.
it doesn't even have to be in the particulars, it's just about wisdom. that is my feedback. you are at once saying that there is greater wisdom to be had in the organization and conduct of research, and then, you go and make the highly low wisdom move to generalize about all academic research. which you are obviously doing not because it makes sense to, you're a smart guy. but because you have some unknown beef with "academics" that stems from anger about valid, common but nonetheless subjective political disputes about COVID-19.
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- Alzheimers
- Cancer
- Alzheimers
- Skin lesions (first paper discussed in the linked blog post)
- Epidemiology (COVID)
- Epidemiology (COVID, foot and mouth disease, Zika)
- Misinformation/bot studies
- More misinformation/bot studies
- Archaeology/history
- PCR testing (in general, discussion opens with testing of whooping cough)
- Psychology, twice (assuming you count "men would like to be more muscular" as a psych claim)
- Misinformation studies
- COVID (the highlighted errors in the paper are objective, not subjective)
- COVID (the highlighted errors are software bugs, i.e. objective)
- COVID (a fake replication report that didn't successfully replicate anything)
- Public health (from 2010)
- Social science
Your summary of this as being about a "valid and common but subjective political dispute" I don't agree is accurate. There's no politics involved in any of these discussions or problems, just bad science.
Immunology has the same issues as most other medical fields. Sure, there's also fraud that requires genuinely deep expertise to find, but there's plenty that doesn't. Here's a random immunology paper from a few days ago identified as having image duplications, Photoshopping of western blots, numerous irrelevant citations and weird sentence breaks all suggestive that the paper might have been entirely faked or at least partly generated by AI: https://pubpeer.com/publications/FE6C57F66429DE2A9B88FD245DD...
The authors reply, claiming the problems are just rank incompetence, and each time someone finds yet another problem with the paper leading to yet another apology and proclamation of incompetence. It's just another day on PubPeer, nothing special about this paper. I plucked it off the front page. Zero wet lab experience is needed to understand why the exact same image being presented as two different things in two different papers is a problem.
And as for other fields, they're often extremely shallow. I actually am an expert in bot detection but that doesn't help at all in detecting validity errors in social science papers, because they do things like define a bot as anyone who tweets five times after midnight from a smartphone. A 10 year old could notice that this isn't true.
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Edit: I just read your article linked upthread. It was really good. I don't think we disagree except I say we need to attempt the steps of science wherever sensible and there's human/political problems trying to corrupt them. I try to seperately address those by changing hearts with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. (Cuz self-interest won't fix science.)
So, we need the replications. We also need to address whatever issues would pop up with them.
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This is how the scientific method is described. It's what much of the public thinks their money is paying for. So, I'm definitely for doing it for real or not calling it science.
Even the amount of review I saw you do on papers on your blog seems to exceed what much peer review is doing. So, how can we treat things as science if that aren't even meeting that standard, much less replication?
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It's like buying a piece of furniture from IKEA, except you just get an Allen key, a hint at what parts to buy, and blurry instructions.
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Your second point is the important one. AI may be the thing that finally forces the community to take reproducibility, attribution, and verification seriously. That’s very much the motivation behind projects like Liberata, which try to shift publishing away from novelty first narratives and toward explicit credit for replication, verification, and followthrough. If that cultural shift happens, this moment might end up being a painful but necessary correction.
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This is just article publishers not doing the most basic verification failing to notice that the citations in the article don't exist.
What this should trigger is a black mark for all of the authors and their institutions, both of which should receive significant reputational repercussions for publishing fake information. If they fake the easiest to verify information (does the cited work exist) what else are they faking?
Comment by lxgr 2 days ago
If correct form (LaTeX two-column formatting, quoting the right papers and authors of the year etc.) has been allowing otherwise reject-worthy papers to slip through peer review, academia arguably has bigger problems than LLMs.
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Perhaps repro should become the basis of peer review?
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There seems to be a rule in every field that "99% of everything is crap." I guess AI adds a few more nines to the end of that.
The gems are lost in a sea of slop.
So I see useless output (e.g. crap on the app store) as having negative value, because it takes up time and space and energy that could have been spent on something good.
My point with all this is that it's not a new problem. It's always been about curation. But curation doesn't scale. It already didn't. I don't know what the answer to that looks like.
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> to finally take reproducibility more seriously
I've long argued for this, as reproduction is the cornerstone of science. There's a lot of potential ways to do this but one that I like is linking to the original work. Suppose you're looking at the OpenReview page and they have a link for "reproduction efforts" and with at minimum an annotation for confirmation or failure.This is incredibly helpful to the community as a whole. Reproduction failures can be incredibly helpful even when the original work has no fraud. In those cases a reprising failure reveals important information about the necessary conditions that the original work relies on.
But honestly, we'll never get this until we drop the entire notion of "novel" or "impact" and "publish or perish". Novel is in the eye of the reviewer and the lower the reviewer's expertise the less novel a work seems (nothing is novel as a high enough level). Impact can almost never be determined a priori, and when it can you already have people chasing those directions because why the fuck would they not? But publish or perish is the biggest sin. It's one of those ideas that looks nice on paper, like you are meaningfully determining who is working hard and who is hardly working. But the truth is that you can't tell without being in the weeds. The real result is that this stifles creativity, novelty, and impact as it forces researchers to chase lower hanging fruit. Things you're certain will work and can get published. It creates a negative feedback loop as we compete: "X publishes 5 papers a year, why can't you?" I've heard these words even when X has far fewer citations (each of my work had "more impact").
Frankly, I believe fraud would dramatically reduce were researchers not risking job security. The fraud is incentivized by the cutthroat system where you're constantly trying to defend your job, your work, and your grants. They'll always be some fraud but (with a few exceptions) researchers aren't rockstar millionaires. It takes a lot of work to get to point where fraud even works, so there's a natural filter.
I have the same advice as Mervin Kelly, former director of Bell Labs:
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> When reached for comment, the NeurIPS board shared the following statement: “The usage of LLMs in papers at AI conferences is rapidly evolving, and NeurIPS is actively monitoring developments. In previous years, we piloted policies regarding the use of LLMs, and in 2025, reviewers were instructed to flag hallucinations. Regarding the findings of this specific work, we emphasize that significantly more effort is required to determine the implications. Even if 1.1% of the papers have one or more incorrect references due to the use of LLMs, the content of the papers themselves are not necessarily invalidated. For example, authors may have given an LLM a partial description of a citation and asked the LLM to produce bibtex (a formatted reference). As always, NeurIPS is committed to evolving the review and authorship process to best ensure scientific rigor and to identify ways that LLMs can be used to enhance author and reviewer capabilities.”
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Maybe I'm overreacting, but this feels like an insanely biased response. They found the one potentially innocuous reason and latched onto that as a way to hand-wave the entire problem away.
Science already had a reproducibility problem, and it now has a hallucination problem. Considering the massive influence the private sector has on the both the work and the institutions themselves, the future of open science is looking bleak.
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Seems like CYA, seems like hand wave. Seems like excuses.
Comment by mikkupikku 2 days ago
It's like arguing against strict liability for drunk driving because maybe somebody accidentally let their grape juice sit to long and they didn't know it was fermented... I can conceive of such a thing, but that doesn't mean we should go easy on drunk driving.
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How did these 100 sources even get through the validation process?
> Isn't disqualifying X months of potentially great research due to a misformed, but existing reference harsh?
It will serve as a reminder not to cut any corners.
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I wouldn't call a misformed reference a critical issue, it happens. That's why we have peer reviews. I would contend drawing superficially valid conclusions from studies through use of AI is a much more burning problem that speaks more to the integrity of the author.
> It will serve as a reminder not to cut any corners.
Or yet another reason to ditch academic work for industry. I doubt the rise of scientific AI tools like AlphaXiv [1], whether you consider them beneficial or detrimental, can be avoided - calling for a level pragmatism.
Comment by jklinger410 1 day ago
Crazy to say this in a discussion where peer review missed hallucinated citations
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They’re right that a citation error doesn’t automatically invalidate the technical content of a paper, and that there are relatively benign ways these mistakes get introduced. But focusing on intent or severity sidesteps the fact that citations, claims, and provenance are still treated as narrative artifacts rather than things we systematically verify
Once that’s the case, the question isn’t whether any single paper is “invalid” but whether the workflow itself is robust under current incentives and tooling.
A student group at Duke has been trying to think about with Liberata, i.e. what publishing looks like if verification, attribution, and reproducibility are first class rather than best effort
They have a short explainer here that lays out the idea if useful context helps: https://liberata.info/
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[0] https://openreview.net/forum?id=IiEtQPGVyV¬eId=W66rrM5XPk
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Who would pay them? Conference organizers are already unpaid and undestaffed, and most conferences aren't profitable.
I think rejections shouldn't be automatic. Sometimes there are just typos. Sometimes authors don't understand BibTeX. This needs to be done in a way that reduces the workload for reviewers.
One way of doing this would be for GPTZero to annotate each paper during the review step. If reviewers could review a version of each paper with yellow-highlighted "likely-hallucinated" references in the bibliography, then they'd bring it up in their review and they'd know to be on their guard for other probably LLM-isms. If there's only a couple likely typos in the references, then reviewers could understand that, and if they care about it, they'd bring it up in their reviews and the author would have the usual opportunity to rebut.
I don't know if GPTZero is willing to provide this service "for free" to the academic community, but if they are, it's probably worth bringing up at the next PAMI-TC meeting for CVPR.
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For example, authors may have given an LLM a partial description of a citation and asked the LLM to produce bibtex
This is equivalent to a typo. I’d like to know which “hallucinations” are completely made up, and which have a corresponding paper but contain some error in how it’s cited. The latter I don’t think matters.Comment by burkaman 2 days ago
Here's a random one I picked as an example.
Paper: https://openreview.net/pdf?id=IiEtQPGVyV
Reference: Asma Issa, George Mohler, and John Johnson. Paraphrase identification using deep contextual- ized representations. In Proceedings of the 2018 Conference on Empirical Methods in Natural Language Processing (EMNLP), pp. 517–526, 2018.
Asma Issa and John Johnson don't appear to exist. George Mohler does, but it doesn't look like he works in this area (https://www.georgemohler.com/). No paper with that title exists. There are some with sort of similar titles (https://arxiv.org/html/2212.06933v2 for example), but none that really make sense as a citation in this context. EMNLP 2018 exists (https://aclanthology.org/D18-1.pdf), but that page range is not a single paper. There are papers in there that contain the phrases "paraphrase identification" and "deep contextualized representations", so you can see how an LLM might have come up with this title.
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Labor is the bottleneck. There aren't enough academics who volunteer to help organize conferences.
(If a reader of this comment is qualified to review papers and wants to step up to the plate and help do some work in this area, please email the program chairs of your favorite conference and let them know. They'll eagerly put you to work.)
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One "simple" way of doing this would be to automate it. Have authors step through a lint step when their camera-ready paper is uploaded. Authors would be asked to confirm each reference and link it to a google scholar citation. Maybe the easy references could be auto-populated. Non-public references could be resolved by uploading a signed statement or something.
There's no current way of using this metadata, but it could be nice for future systems.
Even the Scholar team within Google is woefully understaffed.
My gut tells me that it's probably more efficient to just drag authors who do this into some public execution or twitter mob after-the-fact. CVPR does this every so often for authors who submit the same paper to multiple venues. You don't need a lot of samples for deterrence to take effect. That's kind of what this article is doing, in a sense.
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Institutions can choose an arbitrary approach to mistakes; maybe they don't mind a lot of them because they want to take risks and be on the bleeding edge. But any flexible attitude towards fabrications is simply corruption. The connected in-crowd will get mercy and the outgroup will get the hammer. Anybody criticizing the differential treatment will be accused of supporting the outgroup fraudsters.
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Think of it this way: if I wanted to commit pure academic fraud maliciously, I wouldn't make up a fake reference. Instead, I'd find an existing related paper and merely misrepresent it to support my own claims. That way, the deception is much harder to discover and I'd have plausible deniability -- "oh I just misunderstood what they were saying."
I think most academic fraud happens in the figures, not the citations. Researchers are more likely to to be successful at making up data points than making up references because it's impossible to know without the data files.
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This statement isn’t wrong, as the rest of the paper could still be correct.
However, when I see a blatant falsification somewhere in a paper I’m immediately suspicious of everything else. Authors who take lazy shortcuts when convenient usually don’t just do it once, they do it wherever they think they can get away with it. It’s a slippery slope from letting an LLM handle citations to letting the LLM write things for you to letting the LLM interpret the data. The latter opens the door to hallucinated results and statistics, as anyone who has experimented with LLMs for data analysis will discover eventually.
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That seems ridiculous.
Comment by Analemma_ 2 days ago
In fairness, NeurIPS is just saying out loud what everyone already knows. Most citations in published science are useless junk: it’s either mutual back-scratching to juice h-index, or it’s the embedded and pointless practice of overcitation, like “Human beings need clean water to survive (Franz, 2002)”.
Really, hallucinated citations are just forcing a reckoning which has been overdue for a while now.
Comment by fc417fc802 2 days ago
Can't say that matches my experience at all. Once I've found a useful paper on a topic thereafter I primarily navigate the literature by traveling up and down the citation graph. It's extremely effective in practice and it's continued to get easier to do as the digitization of metadata has improved over the years.
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A somewhat-related parable: I once worked in a larger lab with several subteams submitting to the same conference. Sometimes the work we did was related, so we both cited each other's paper which was also under review at the same venue. (These were flavor citations in the "related work" section for completeness, not material to our arguments.) In the review copy, the reference lists the other paper as written by "anonymous (also under review at XXXX2025)," also emphasized by a footnote to explain the situation to reviewers. When it came time to submit the camera-ready copy, we either removed the anonymization or replaced it with an arxiv link if the other team's paper got rejected. :-) I doubt this practice improved either paper's chances of getting accepted.
Are these the sorts of citation rings you're talking about? If authors misrepresented the work as if it were accepted, or pretended it was published last year or something, I'd agree with you, but it's not too uncommon in my area for well-connected authors to cite manuscripts in process. I don't think it's a problem as long as they don't lean on them.
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1. Doxxing disguised as specific criticism: Publishing the names of authors and papers without prior private notification or independent verification is not how academic corrections work. It looks like a marketing stunt to generate buzz at the expense of researchers' reputations.
2. False Positives & Methodology: How does their tool distinguish between an actual AI "hallucination" and a simple human error (e.g., a typo in a year, a broken link, or a messy BibTeX entry)? Labeling human carelessness as "AI fabrication" is libelous.
3. The "Protection Racket" Vibe: The underlying message seems to be: "Buy our tool, or next time you might be on this list." It’s creating a problem (fear of public shaming) to sell the solution.
We should be extremely skeptical of a vendor using a prestigious conference as a billboard for their product by essentially publicly shaming participants without due process.
Comment by nonethewiser 1 day ago
They explicitly distinguish between a "flawed citation" (missing author, typo in title) and a hallucination (completely fabricated journal, fake DOI, nonexistent authors). You can literally click through and verify each one yourself. If you think they're wrong about a specific example, point it out. It doesn't matter if these are honest mistakes or not - they should be highlighted and you should be happy to have a tool that can find them before you publish.
It's ridiculous to call it doxxing. The papers are already published at NeurIPS with author names attached. GPTZero isn't revealing anything that wasn't already public. They are pointing out what they think are hallucinations which everyone can judge for themselves.
It might even be terrible at detecting things. Which actually, I do not think is the case after reading the article. But even so, if they are unreliable I think the problem takes care of itself.
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(If you're qualified to review papers, please email the program chair of your favorite conference and let them know -- they really need the help!)
As for my review, the review form has a textbox for a summary, a textbox for strengths, a textbox for weaknesses, and a textbox for overall thoughts. The review I received included one complete set of summary/strengths/weaknesses/closing thoughts in the summary text box, another distinct set of summary/strengths/weaknesses/closing thoughts in the strengths, another complete and distinct review in the weaknesses, and a fourth complete review in the closing thoughts. Each of these four reviews were slightly different and contradicted each other.
The reviewer put my paper down as a weak reject, but also said "the pros greatly outweigh the cons."
They listed "innovative use of synthetic data" as a strength, and "reliance on synthetic data" as a weakness.
Comment by pacbard 2 days ago
By using an LLM to fabricate citations, authors are moving away from this noble pursuit of knowledge built on the "shoulders of giants" and show that behind the curtain output volume is what really matters in modern US research communities.
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He was against establishment dogma, not pro-anti intellectualism.
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Including coca cola and Linux!
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I won't deny I am terrible at articulating my point, but I will maintain it. We can undeniably say that science, scientific institutions, scientific periodic journals, funding and any other financial instrument constructed to promote scientific advancements is rotten by design and should be abandoned immediately. This joke serves no good.
"But what about muh scientific method?" Yeah yeah yeah, whoever thinks modern science honors logic and reason is part of the problem and has being played, and forever will be
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Most big tech PhD intern job postings have NeurIPS/ICML/ICLR/etc. first author paper as a de facto requirement to be considered. It's like getting your SAG card.
If you get one of these internships, it effectively doubles or triples your salary that year right away. You will make more in that summer than your PhD stipend. Plus you can now apply in future summers and the jobs will be easier to get. And it sets your career on a good path.
A conservative estimate of the discounted cash value of a student's first NeurIPS paper would certainly be five figures. It's potentially much higher depending on how you think about it, considering potential path dependent impacts on future career opportunities.
We should not be surprised to see cheating. Nonetheless, it's really bad for science that these attempts get through. I also expect some people did make legitimate mistakes letting AI touch their .bib.
Comment by Der_Einzige 1 day ago
Most industry AI jobs that aren’t research based know that NeurIPS publications are a huge deal. Many of the managers don’t even know what a workshop is (so you can pass off NeurIPS workshop work as just “NeurIPS”)
A single first author main conference work effectively allows a non Ph.D holder to be treated like they have a Ph.d (be qualified for professional researcher jobs). This means that a decent engineer with 1 NeurIPS publication is easily worth 300K+ YOY assuming US citizen. Even if all they have is a BS ;)
And if you are lucky to get a spotlight or an oral, that’s probably worth closer to 7 figures…
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It’s for sure plausible that it’s increasing, but I’m certain this kind of thing happened with humans too.
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> Real Citation Yann LeCun, Yoshua Bengio, and Geoffrey Hinton. Deep learning. nature, 521:436-444, 2015.
Flawed Citation
Y. LeCun, Y. Bengio, and Geoff Hinton. Deep leaning. nature, 521(7553):436-444, 2015.
Hallucinated Citation
Samuel LeCun Jackson. Deep learning. Science & Nature: 23-45, 2021.
Comment by rfrey 2 days ago
If we grant that good carrots are hard to grow, what's the argument against leaning into the stick? Change university policies and processes so that getting caught fabricating data or submitting a paper with LLM hallucinations is a career ending event. Tip the expected value of unethical behaviours in favour of avoiding them. Maybe we can't change the odds of getting caught but we certainly can change the impact.
This would not be easy, but maybe it's more tractable than changing positive incentives.
Comment by currymj 2 days ago
i don't think there are any AI detection tools that are sufficiently reliable that I would feel comfortable expelling a student or ending someone's career based on their output.
for example, we can all see what's going on with these papers (and it appears to be even worse among ICLR submissions). but it is possible to make an honest mistake with your BibTeX. Or to use AI for grammar editing, which is widely accepted, and have it accidentally modify a data point or citation. There are many innocent mistakes which also count as plausible excuses.
in some cases further investigation maybe can reveal a smoking gun like fabricated data, which is academic misconduct whether done by hand or because an AI generated the LaTeX tables. punishments should be harsher for this than they are.
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>GPTZero finds 100 new hallucinations in NeurIPS 2025 accepted papers
And I'm left wondering if they mean 100 papers or 100 hallucinations
The subheading says
>GPTZero's analysis 4841 papers accepted by NeurIPS 2025 show there are at least 100 with confirmed hallucinations
Which accidentally a word, but seems to clarify that they do legitimately mean 100 papers.
A later heading says
>Table of 100 Hallucinated Citations in Published Across 53 NeurIPS Papers
Which suggests either the opposite, or that they chose a subset of their findings to point out a coincidentally similar number of incidents.
How many papers did they find hallucinations in? I'm still not certain. Is it 100, 53 or some other number altogether? Does their quality of scrutiny match the quality of their communication. If they did in-fact find 100 Hallucinations in 53 papers, would the inconsistency against their claim of "papers accepted by NeurIPS 2025 show there are at least 100 with confirmed hallucinations" meet their own bar for a hallucination?
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>GPTZero's analysis 4841 papers accepted by NeurIPS 2025 show there are at least 100 with confirmed hallucinations
Is not true. [Edit - that sounds a bit harsh making it seem like you are accusing them, it's more that this is a logical conclusion of your(imo reasonable) interpretation.
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Then peoples CV's could say "My inventions have led to $1M in licensing revenue" rather than "I presented a useless idea at a decent conference because I managed to make it sound exciting enough to get accepted".
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GPTZero of course knows this. "100 hallucinations across 53 papers at prestigious conference" hits different than "0.07% of citations had issues, compared to unknown baseline, in papers whose actual findings remain valid."
Comment by MeetingsBrowser 2 days ago
In the past, a single paper with questionable or falsified results at a top tier conference was big news.
Something that casts doubt on the validity of 53 papers at a top AI conference is at least notable.
> whose actual findings remain valid
Remain valid according to who? The same group that missed hundreds of hallucinated citations?
Comment by ctoth 2 days ago
What is the base rate of bad citations pre-AI?
And finally yes. Peer review does not mean clicking every link in the footnotes to make sure the original paper didn't mislink, though I'm sure after this bruhaha this too will be automated.
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It wasn't just broken links, but citing authors like "lastname, firstname" and made up titles.
I have done peer reviews for a (non-AI) CS conference and did at least skim the citations. For papers related to my domain, I was familiar with most of the citations already, and looked into any that looked odd.
Being familiar with the state of the art is, in theory, what qualifies you to do peer reviews.
Comment by nonethewiser 1 day ago
Nope, you are getting this part wrong. On purpose or by accident? Because it's pretty clear if you read the article they are not counting all citations that simply had issues. See "Defining Hallucinated Citations".
Comment by leggerss 2 days ago
I guess GPTZero has such a tool. I'm confused why it isn't used more widely by paper authors and reviewers
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In my experience you will see considerable variation in citation formats, even in journals that strictly define it and require using BibTex. And lots of journals leave their citation format rules very vague. Its a problem that runs deep.
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When training a student, normally we expect a lack of knowledge early, and reward self-awareness, self-evaluation and self-disclosure of that.
But the very first epoch of a model training run, when the model has all the ignorance of a dropped plate of spaghetti, we optimize the network to respond to information, as anything from a typical human to an expert, without any base of understanding.
So the training practice for models is inherently extreme enforced “fake it until you make it”, to a degree far beyond any human context or culture.
(Regardless, humans need to verify, not to mention read, the sources they site. But it will be nice when models can be trusted to accurately access what they know/don’t-know too.)
Comment by CGMthrowaway 2 days ago
a) p-hacking and suppressing null results
b) hallucinations
c) falsifying data
Would be cool to see an analysis of this
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To me, it's no different than stealing a car or tricking an old lady into handing over her fidelity account. You are stealing, and society says stealing is a criminal act.
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EDIT - The threshold amount varies. Sometimes it's as low as a few hundred dollars. However, the point stands on its own, because there's no universe where the sum in question is in misdemeanor territory.
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Most institutions aren't very chill with grant money being misused, so we already don't need to burden then state with getting Johnny muncipal prosecutor to try and figure out if gamma crystallization imaging sources were incorrect.
Comment by Proziam 2 days ago
If you're taking public funds (directly or otherwise) with the intent to either:
A) Do little to no real work, and pass of the work of an AI as being your own work, or
B) Knowingly publish falsified data
Then you are, without a single shred of doubt, in criminal fraud territory. Further, the structural damage you inflict when you do the above is orders of magnitude greater than the initial fraud itself. That is a matter for civil courts ("Our company based on development on X fraudulent data, it cost us Y in damages").
Whether or not charges are pressed is going to happen way after all the internal reviews have demonstrated the person being charged has gone beyond the "honest mistake" threshold. It's like Walmart not bothering to call the cops until you're into felony territory, there's no point in doing so.
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If they actually committed theft, well then that already is illegal too.
But right now, doing "shitty research" isn't illegal and it's unlikely it ever will be.
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If you do a search for "contractor imprisoned for fraud" you'll find plenty of cases where a private contract dispute resulted in criminal convictions for people who took money and then didn't do the work.
I don't know if taking money and then merely pretending to do the research would rise to the level of criminal fraud, but it doesn't seem completely outlandish.
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You gotta horse trade if you want to win. Take one for the team or get out of the way.
Comment by Proziam 1 day ago
You don't need to be in academia to understand that scientific progress depends on trust. If you don't trust the results people are publishing, you can't then build upon them. Reproducibility has been a known issue for a long time[0], and is widely agreed upon to be a 'crisis' by academics[1].
The advent of an easier way to publish correct-looking papers, or to plagiarize and synthesize other works without actually validating anything is only going to further diminish trust.
[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/533452a#citeas
[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou...
Comment by abalone 1 day ago
Not great, but to be clear this is different from fabricating the whole paper or the authors inventing the citations. (In this case at least.)
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Also: there were 15 000 submissions that were rejected at NeurIPS; it would be very interesting to see what % of those rejected were partially or fully AI generated/hallucinated. Are the ratios comperable?
Comment by blackbear_ 2 days ago
Sharing code enables others to validate the method on a different dataset.
Even before LLMs came around there were lots of methods that looked good on paper but turned out not to work outside of accepted benchmarks
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I'm sure plenty of more nuanced facts are also entirely without basis.
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In conference publications, it's less common.
Conference publications (like NEURips) is treated as announcement of results, not verified.
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At work I've automated tools to write automated technical certificates for wind parks.
I've wrote code automatically to solve problems I couldn't solve by my own. Complicated Linear Algebra stuff, which was always too hard.
I should have written papers automatically, at least my wife writes her reports with ChatGPT already.
Others are writing film scripts by tools.
Good times.
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Publishing is just the way to get grants.
A PI explained it to me once, something like this
Idea(s) -> Grant -> Experiments -> Data -> Paper(s) -> Publication(s) -> Idea(s) -> Grant(s)
Thats the current cycle ... remove any step and its a dead end
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It’s a problem. The previous regime prior to publishing-mania was essentially a clubby game of reputation amongst peers based on cocktail party socialization.
The publication metrics came out of the harder sciences, I believe, and then spread to the softest of humanities. It was always easy to game a bit if you wanted to try, but now it’s trivial to defeat.
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Should be extremely easy for AI to successfully detect hallucinated references as they are semi-structured data with an easily verifiable ground truth.
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If I drop a loaded gun and it fires, killing someone, we don't go after the gun's manufacturer in most cases.
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Go look up the P320 pistol and the tons of accidental discharges that’s it’s caused.
https://stateline.org/2025/03/10/more-law-enforcement-agenci...
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What I'm saying is that the authors have a responsibility, whether they wrote the papers themselves, asked an AI to write and didn't read it thoroughly, or asked their grandparents while on LSD to write it... it all comes back to whoever put their names on the paper and submitted it.
I think AI is a red herring here.
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However, we’ll be left with AI written papers and no real way to determine if they’re based on reality or just a “stochastic mirror” (an approximate reflection of reality).
Comment by nospice 2 days ago
But here's the thing: let's say you're an university or a research institution that wants to curtail it. You catch someone producing LLM slop, and you confirm it by analyzing their work and conducting internal interviews. You fire them. The fired researcher goes public saying that they were doing nothing of the sort and that this is a witch hunt. Their blog post makes it to the front page of HN, garnering tons of sympathy and prompting many angry calls to their ex-employer. It gets picked up by some mainstream outlets, too. It happened a bunch of times.
In contrast, there are basically no consequences to institutions that let it slide. No one is angrily calling the employers of the authors of these 100 NeurIPS papers, right? If anything, there's the plausible deniability of "oh, I only asked ChatGPT to reformat the citations, the rest of the paper is 100% legit, my bad".
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I even know PIs who got fame and funding based on some research direction that supposedly is going to be revolutionary. Except all they had were preliminary results that from one angle, if you squint, you can envision some good result. But then the result never comes. That's why I say, "fake it, and never make it".
Comment by yobbo 2 days ago
The best possible outcome is that these two purposes are disconflated, with follow-on consequences for the conferences and journals.
Comment by bonsai_spool 2 days ago
These clearly aren't being peer-reviewed, so there's no natural check on LLM usage (which is different than what we see in work published in journals).
Comment by emil-lp 2 days ago
We verify: is the stuff correct, and is it worthy of publication (in the given venue) given that it is correct.
There is still some trust in the authors to not submit made-up-stuff, albeit it is diminishing.
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Comment by emil-lp 2 days ago
Fake references are more common in the introduction where you list relevant material to strengthen your results. They often don't change the validity of the claim, but the potential impact or value.
Comment by gcr 2 days ago
Consider the unit economics. Suppose NeurIPS gets 20,000 papers in one year. Suppose each author should expect three good reviews, so area chairs assign five reviewers per paper. In total, 100,000 reviews need to be written. It's a lot of work, even before factoring emergency reviewers in.
NeurIPS is one venue alongside CVPR, [IE]CCV, COLM, ICML, EMNLP, and so on. Not all of these conferences are as large as NeurIPS, but the field is smaller than you'd expect. I'd guess there are 300k-1m people in the world who are qualified to review AI papers.
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Comment by gcr 2 days ago
Another problem is that conferences move slowly and it's hard to adjust the publication workflow in such an invasive way. CVPR only recently moved from Microsoft's CMT to OpenReview to accept author submissions, for example.
There's a lot of opportunity for innovation in this space, but it's hard when everyone involved would need to agree to switch to a different workflow.
(Not shooting you down. It's just complicated because the people who would benefit are far away from the people who would need to do the work to support it...)
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Comment by anishrverma 1 day ago
Better detectors, like the article implies, won’t solve the problem, since AI will likely keep improving
It’s about the fact that our publishing workflows implicitly assume good faith manual verification, even as submission volume and AI assisted writing explode. That assumption just doesn’t hold anymore
A student initiative at Duke University has been working on what it might look like to address this at the publishing layer itself, by making references, review labor, and accountability explicit rather than implicit
There’s a short explainer video for their system: https://liberata.info/
It’s hard to argue that the current status quo will scale, so we need novel solutions like this.
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These are not all the submissions that they received. The review process can be... brutal for some people (depending on the quality of their submission)
Comment by brador 2 days ago
The problem is consequences (lack of).
Doing this should get you barred from research. It won’t.
Comment by uhfraid 1 day ago
Consequences are the inevitable solution. Accountability starting with authors, followed by organizations/institutions.
Warning for first offense, ban after
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Comment by mat_b 2 days ago
This says just as much about the humans involved.
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But I saw it in Apple News, so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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Comment by AntonioEritas 1 day ago
220 is actually quite the deal. In fact, heavy usage means Anthropic loses money on you. Do you have any idea how much compute cost to offer these kind of services?
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Comment by nerdjon 2 days ago
As we get more and more papers that may be citing information that was originally hallucinated in the first place we have a major reliability issue here. What is worse is people that did not use AI in the first place will be caught in the crosshairs since they will be referencing incorrect information.
There needs to be a serious amount of education done on what these tools can and cannot do and importantly where they fail. Too many people see these tools as magic since that is what the big companies are pushing them as.
Other than that we need to put in actual repercussions for publishing work created by an LLM without validating it (or just say you can’t in the first place but I guess that ship has sailed) or it will just keep happening. We can’t just ignore it and hope it won’t be a problem.
And yes, humans can make mistakes too. The difference is accountability and the ability to actually be unsure about something so you question yourself to validate.
Comment by thestructuralme 1 day ago
When a reviewer is outgunned by the volume of generative slop, the structure of peer review collapses because it was designed for human-to-human accountability, not for verifying high-speed statistical mimicry. In these papers, the hallucinations are a dead giveaway of a total decoupling of intelligence from any underlying "self" or presence. The machine calculates a plausible-looking citation, and an exhausted reviewer fails to notice the "Soul" of the research is missing.
It feels like we’re entering a loop where the simulation is validated by the system, which then becomes the training data for the next generation of simulation. At that point, the human element of research isn't just obscured—it's rendered computationally irrelevant.
Comment by Prof_Sigmund 2 days ago
If we go back to Google, before its transformation into an AI powerhouse — as it gutted its own SERPs, shoving traditional blue links below AI-generated overlords that synthesize answers from the web’s underbelly, often leaving publishers starving for clicks in a zero-click apocalypse — what was happening?
The same kind of human “evaluators” were ranking pages. Pushing garbage forward. The same thing is happening with AI. As much as the human "evaluators" trained search engines to elevate clickbait, the very same humans now train large language models to mimic the judgment of those very same evaluators. A feedback loop of mediocrity — supervised by the... well, not the best among us. The machines still, as Stephen Wolfram wrote, for any given sequence, use the same probability method (e.g., “The cat sat on the...”), in which the model doesn’t just pick one word. It calculates a probability score for every single word in its vast vocabulary (e.g., “mat” = 40% chance, “floor” = 15%, “car” = 0.01%), and voilà! — you have a “creative” text: one of a gazillion mindlessly produced, soulless, garbage “vile bile” sludge emissions that pollute our collective brains and render us a bunch of idiots, ready to swallow any corporate poison sent our way.
In my opinion, even worse: the corporates are pushing toward “safety” (likely from lawsuits), and the AI systems are trained to sell, soothe, and please — not to think, or enhance our collective experience.
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One thing that has bothered me for a very long time is that computer science (and I assume other scientific fields) has long since decided that English is the lingua franca, and if you don't speak it you can't be part of it. Can you imagine if being told that you could only do your research if you were able to write technical papers in a language you didn't speak, maybe even using glyphs you didn't know? It's crazy when you think about it even a little bit, but we ask it of so many. Let's not include the fact that 90% of the English-speaking population couldn't crank out a paper to the required vocabulary level anyway.
A very legitimate, not trying to cheat, use for LLMs is translation. While it would be an extremely broad and dangerous brush to paint with, I wonder if there is a correlation between English-as-a-Second (or even third)-Language authors and the hallucinations. That would indicate that they were trying to use LLMs to help craft the paper to the expected writing level. The only problem being that it sometimes mangles citations, and if you've done good work and got 25+ citations, it's easy for those errors to slip through.
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This has almost nothing to do with AI, and everything to do with a journal not putting in the trivial effort (given how much it costs to get published by them) required to ensure subject integrity. Yeah AI is the new garbage generator, but this problem isn't new, citation verification's been part of review ever since citations became a thing.
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This would be a valuable research tool that uses AI without the hallucinations.
Comment by depressionalt 2 days ago
Many such cases of this. More than 100!
They claim to have custom detection for GPT-5, Gemini, and Claude. They're making that up!
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Comment by Der_Einzige 1 day ago
Most people getting flagged are getting flagged because they actually used AI and couldn’t even be bothered to manually deslop it.
People who are too lazy to put even a tiny bit of human intentionality into their work deserve it.
Comment by freedomben 1 day ago
We've had teachers show us the screenshot output from their AI tool and it flags on things like "vocabulary word unusual for grade level." In my early 20s when I was dating my now-wife, she had a great vocabulary and I admired her for it, so I spent a lot of effort improving my vocabulary (well worth it by the way). When my son was born I intentionally used "big words" all the time with him (and explained what they meant when he didn't know) in the hopes that he would have a naturally large vocabulary when he got older. It worked very well. He routinely uses words even in conversation that even his teachers don't know. He writes even better than he speaks. But now being a statistical outlier is punishing him.
It flags plenty of other things like direct quotes (which he puts in quotation marks as he should) and includes it in the "score", so a quote heavy paper will sometimes show something like "65% produced by AI". He uses Google Docs so we can literally go through the whole history and see him writing the paper through time.
> Most people getting flagged are getting flagged because they actually used AI and couldn’t even be bothered to manually deslop it.
I'm sure that's true, but it doesn't excuse people using an automated tool that they don't understand and messing with other people's lives because of it. Just like when some cloud provider decides that your workload looks too much like crypto mining or something so AI auto-bans your account and shuts off your stuff.
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AI Overview: Based on the research, [Chen and N. Flammarion (2022)](https://gptzero.me/news/neurips/) investigate why Sharpness-Aware Minimization (SAM) generalizes better than SGD, focusing on optimization perspectives
The link is a link to the OP web page calling the "research" a hallucination.
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Comment by godelski 2 days ago
Just ask authors to submit their bib file so we don't need to do OCR on the PDF. Flag the unknown citations and ask reviewers to verify their existence. Then contact authors and ban if they can't produce the cited work.
This is low hanging fruit here!
Detecting slop where the authors vet citations is much harder. The big problem with all the review rules is they have no teeth. If it were up to me we'd review in the open, or at least like ICLR. Publish the list of known bad actors and let is look at the network. The current system is too protective of egregious errors like plagiarism. Authors can get detected in one conference, pull, and submit to another, rolling the dice. We can't allow that to happen and we should discourage people from associating with these conartists.
AI is certainly a problem in the world of science review, but it's far from the only one and I'm not even convinced it's the biggest. The biggest is just that reviewers are lazy and/or not qualified to review the works they're assigned. It takes at least an hour to properly review a paper in your niche, much more when it's outside. We're over worked as is, with 5+ works to review, not to mention all the time we got to spend reworking our own works that were rejected due to the slot machine. We could do much better if we dropped this notion of conference/journal prestige and focused on the quality of the works and reviews.
Addressing those issues also addresses the AI issues because, frankly, *it doesn't matter if the whole work was done by AI, what matters is if the work is real.*
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No one cares about citations. They are hallucinated because they are required to be present for political reasons, even though they have no relevance.
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There need to be dis-incentives for sloppy work. There is a tension between quality and quantity in almost every product. Unfortunately academia has become a numbers-game with paper-mills.
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This feels a bit like the "LED stoplights shouldn't be used because they don't melt snow" argument.
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Thank you for that perfect example of a strawman argument! No, spellcheckers that use AI is not the main concern behind disclosing the use of AI in generating scientific papers, government reports, or any large block of nonfiction text that you paid for that is supposed to make to sense.
Comment by Proziam 2 days ago
What people are pissed about is the fact their tax dollars fund fake research. It's just fraud, pure and simple. And fraud should be punished brutally, especially in these cases, because the long tail of negative effects produces enormous damage.
Comment by freedomben 2 days ago
For people who think this is too harsh, just remember we aren't talking about undergrads who cheat on a course paper here. We're talking about people who were given money (often from taxpayers) that committed fraud. This is textbook white collar crime, not some kid being lazy. At a minimum we should be taking all that money back from them and barring them from ever receiving grant money again. In some cases I think fines exceeding the money they received would be appropriate.
Comment by Proziam 1 day ago
I think the negative reaction people have comes from fear of punishment for human error, but fraud (meaning the real legal term, not colloquially) requires knowledge and intent.
That legal standard means that the risk of ruinous consequences for a 'lazy kid' who took a foolish shortcut is very low. It also requires that a prosecutor look at the circumstances and come to the conclusion that they can meet this standard in a courtroom. The bar is pretty high.
That said, it's very important to note that fraud has a pretty high rearrest (not just did it, but got arrested for it) rate between 35-50%. So when it gets to the point that someone has taken that step, a slap on the wrist simply isn't going to work. Ultimately, when that happens every piece of work they've touched, and every piece of work that depended on their work, gets called into question. The dependency graph affected by a single fraudster can be enormous.
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Maybe? There's certainly a push to force the perception of inevitability.
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