Sega Channel: VGHF Recovers over 100 Sega Channel ROMs (and More)
Posted by wicket 1 day ago
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Comment by ndiddy 20 hours ago
It seems like the main problem they ran into was that the service appealed mainly to the small minority of "heavy players" (who they defined as playing more than 14 hours per week). Their original projections were that they could target cable subscribers who own Genesis systems and play games more than 4 hours a week, but they found that most people who weren't gaming fanatics preferred to own a few games and rent games as needed rather than subscribe to Sega Channel.
The other big problem they ran into was parental resistance. A large amount of parents they talked to viewed Sega Channel as an "open tap" that would increase their child's time spent playing games. An ongoing subscription also was only a one-time "give" from the parent to the child, whereas buying/renting games was one "give" per occasion, which was more psychologically attractive to the parents.
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Comment by pooyan93 12 hours ago
Much earlier, as a kid I’d sometimes get games on cassette tapes in the bookstore and Radio Shack. Later it was great going to software stores that had games on 5 1/4” floppy diskettes in boxes. That stuff rocked.
I have had little interest in the games since then. Everything seems the same: mostly FPS / 3D crap. I don’t see any escape from this in the world building AI space either; they just added goggles.
Comment by jerf 21 hours ago
By the time this came on to the scene the idea was already 14 years old. Intellivision was doing it in 1980: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayCable
The idea blows people's minds if they think of a TV channel as just a channel for delivering TV, but the concept is not that hard if you realize it's just a way to broadcast data, most of which happens to be television video signals. The problem is making it cost-effective for a console to have an amount of RAM normally associated with a cartridge. For most of console gaming's lifespan cart size completely outclassed RAM size so storing a full cartridge image in RAM was expensive for what was generally the low end of the market. Plus the RAM you could stick in the receiver put a firm upper limit on how large a cart you could broadcast, and in an era still undeniably ruled by Moore's Law the size of the more desirable carts tended to outrun the RAM put in these things so they tended to become rapidly unable to keep up with the cart sizes.
Comment by xp84 18 hours ago
I'm sure to some kinds of people that was fine, but I think people kind of don't like having to delete something they like even a little -- even if they won't play it again, they'd rather know they can.
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I will note that as I was reading the saturn specs(I am unfamiliar with the system) I found that there are save cartridges and a saturn modem. Everything needed hardware wise. It looks like they made a internet(dialup) based version for saturn.
And final thoughts: It would be neat to see what sort of back end services they were using if those were in the recovered backup tapes. probably quite a bit more sensitive than releasing roms so may not happen.
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* For hit movies buy an obscene number of copies to rent month 1
* Sell off some for a discount as the rentals dwindled
* Discount anything over a reasonable backlog / duplicates set shortly after
Offhand I think they tried to time this to end well enough before the release windows slid to TV + Ads distribution.
* Rent the backlog until dead or until they sold in a discount bin
Some independent shops also competed. I recall my parents kindly rented a few less popular games they happened to carry. Not sure about videos, might have been better for stuff not mainstream enough at the big national chain.
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Any more information you’d be willing to share about your work?
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Comment by aussieguy1234 16 hours ago
If you stop selling a game, you're obligated to release it for free, including any server code that game depends on.
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Comment by kevinsync 23 hours ago
Given how often people love to swear with certainty that they remember Berenstain spelled as Berenstein [0], I find it kind of neat/interesting when this sort of digital archaeology refutes the silliness with undeniable proof.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenstain_Bears#Name_discrepa...
Edit: that's one of the ROMs they recovered from tape backup -- wanted to add context since, if you don't actively expand the list in the article, my comment appears wildly non-sequitur
Comment by LocalH 22 hours ago
Of course, the silliness has always been refuted, since nobody has an authentic example of "Berenstein" that isn't itself an error or misprint.
It also touches on the lack of care that people tend to have when it comes to getting names right. The creators of the Bears dealt with this in school, with a teacher who absolutely refused to believe that the A spelling was correct, asserting "there is no such name". A very large number of people throughout history have suffered similar fates, where others would dispute the spelling of their name, or indeed their entire name.
Comment by piltdownman 5 hours ago
There's no satirical or arrogant component inherent in this phenomenon. For example, pick any five people at random in your life and ask them if they remember any of the following iconic lines:
* Snow White "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?" * ST:TOS "Beam me up, Scotty" * Star Wars "Luke, I am your Father" * Wizard of Oz "Fly my pretties, fly" * Casablanca "Play it again, Sam."
I've done about 50-100 of these 5x5 samples in casual groups/workshops and have never had a single all-negative response. Problem is, none of the lines above were ever said.
Comment by userbinator 6 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenstein
Comment by toast0 21 hours ago
Undeniable proof that the conspiracy goes so deep it altered tapes as they were read. :P
Comment by nomilk 22 hours ago
> The Sega Channel was an online game service developed by Sega for the Sega Genesis video game console, serving as a content delivery system. Launched on December 12, 1994, the Sega Channel was provided to the public by TCI and Time Warner Cable through cable television services by way of coaxial cable. It was a pay to play service, through which customers could access Genesis games online, play game demos, and get cheat codes. Lasting until July 31, 1998, the Sega Channel operated three years after the release of Sega's next generation console, the Sega Saturn. Though criticized for its poorly timed launch and costly subscription fee, the Sega Channel has been praised for its innovations in downloadable content and impact on online game services.