US seizes oil tanker off coast of Venezuela

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Comment by leopoldj 1 day ago

This ship is a known blockade runner. "The ship has frequently carried oil from countries under U.S. sanctions, and its tracking data shows multiple recent trips to Iran and Venezuela"

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/10/us/politics/oil-tanker-ve...

Comment by Aloisius 1 day ago

For it to be a blockade runner, there would need to be a blockade.

Are we blockading Venezuela? That would generally be considered an act of war.

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

Right. The official reason given for seizing the M/V Skipper was sanctions violation, not a blockade. I don't know whether this was the real reason but as of today other vessels are still sailing in and out of Venezuelan ports without interference. There is no blockade.

The vessel is registered in Guyana so I guess they can complain if they think the seizure was illegitimate.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:41...

Comment by perihelions 1 day ago

Guyana says it's a false flag,

> "The government of Guyana — which borders Venezuela — said in a statement Wednesday the ship was falsely flying the Guyanese flag, despite not being registered in the South American country"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-we-know-oil-tanker-the-ski...

(Context reminder: Guyana is the country Venezuela's Maduro threatened to invade in 2023).

(Also context: the sanctions on this ship's Russian owner date from 2022, and are about violating US sanctions on Iranian oil).

Comment by Aloisius 15 hours ago

The US pressures countries to deregister ships on US sanctions lists. The ship had previously been registered in Panama.

It feels a little sketchy to force countries to deregister ships in order to seize them, but they could have flown Venezuela's flag instead of taking the risk of being stateless instead.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

UNCLOS gives any state the authority to interdict stateless vessels.

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Comment by dragonwriter 1 day ago

> The official reason given for seizing the M/V Skipper was sanctions violation, not a blockade.

“Sanctions” imposed by one country on another limiting its trade with third countries are (if force is used to effect them) a (limited) blockade and absolutely an act of war.

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

Well then I guess Guyana can declare war on the USA if they want to.

Comment by perihelions 1 day ago

Further context: it's owned by a sanctioned Russian oligarch,

> "The ship — known as Adisa in 2022 — is among the vessels controlled by sanctioned Russian oil magnate Viktor Artemov, the Treasury said in a statement[...] The tanker is controlled by Nigeria-based management company Thomarose Global Ventures LTD and owned by a firm linked to Artemov, according to publicly available data."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-we-know-oil-tanker-the-ski...

Comment by spjt 1 day ago

Interesting that I read elsewhere that most Venezuelan oil goes to China due to the sanctions. Would be nice to see them put a carrier group down there to guard their shipments...

Comment by seanmcdirmid 1 day ago

China doesn’t have the infrastructure or logistics to wage a far from home operation against a similar power country (let alone the USA). They might get there in a decade or two, but right now there isn’t much they can do besides provide material support.

Their whole move to EVs is more about national security as it is about environment. Not having to get into wars about oil because you don’t need so much is it’s own freedom.

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

> China doesn’t have the infrastructure or logistics to wage a far from home operation against a similar power country (let alone the USA).

they can totally do asymmetrical actions:

- deploy submarines which could attack offenders

- rather fast develop large quantity of ocean attack drones (even Ukraine could do it with rather limited industrial capabilities)

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> deploy submarines which could attack offenders

While letting U.S. kit paint the submarines they'll presumably want to use on Taiwan.

> fast develop large quantity of ocean attack drones

This is plausible. (Still not worth it for Beijing. But doable.)

Comment by seanmcdirmid 1 day ago

They could sell on credit submarines, drones, and so on to Venezuela, along with some training. They could even make it into a war by proxy, but asymmetrical by the Chinese themselves? They have too much to lose to do that these days.

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

Lol what a joke. It would take a Chinese SSN about a month just to make the transit. By the time they reached the op area it would be almost time to turn around and go home.

Comment by Gud 1 day ago

Why, do you think the Chinese believe this illegal blockade by the US will cease?

China would be stupid not to show some force

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

Regardless of legal issues and whether it would be stupid or not, China still lacks an effective blue water navy capable of projecting sustained power in the Caribbean Sea. They just can't do it in any meaningful way. They're expanding fast and might be able to do it in a few years but not today.

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

Tensions in region started few months ago, so assets could be deployed already.

Also, my bet Maduro will still endure multiple months from now.

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

Nah. Chinese submarines aren't that quiet so if there were any in the area then the US Navy would have them localized already and there's no sign of that. And Chinese subs lack the persistence to stick around without support for long. The reality is there are zero Chinese subs anywhere near Venezuela.

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

Thank you for your theoretical speculations.

Comment by cosmicgadget 1 day ago

Submarines needing support isn't theoretical.

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

Sure, there could be support ship in deep ocean.

Comment by cosmicgadget 1 day ago

Now who is speculating?

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

Support ships are not speculations.

Comment by cosmicgadget 12 hours ago

A speculative deployment is.

Comment by riku_iki 12 hours ago

Sure, I specified this in all comments using "can" and "could" words.

Comment by nradov 1 day ago

You bet! I'm always happy to educate people who don't understand this stuff.

Comment by riku_iki 1 day ago

My opinion is that you are the one who doesn't understand this stuff.

Comment by xg15 1 day ago

This more so, as the two countries "upgraded" their relations to an "all-weather strategic partnership":

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-02/us-venezuela-global-a...

https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202505/10/content_WS681e8bd6... (chinese state media)

I guess this will show what "all-weather" is supposed to mean. It doesn't seem to include any military support and at least others are sceptical with respect to the current situations as well:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3335116/china-unlike...

Comment by lurk2 1 day ago

> Interesting that I read elsewhere that most Venezuelan oil goes to China due to the sanctions.

It's possible China has built out its infrastructure in the past 5 years and can process this oil now, but in the 2010s the more common practice was for the Venezuelans to sell the oil to a Chinese intermediary that would transport it on a tanker to the Gulf Coast, where the American refineries capable of processing Venezuelan sour crude are located.

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Would be nice to see them put a carrier group down there to guard their shipments...

This would be a 4D chess move right off the edge of the game board and into a latrine.

China doesn't want to get involved in an oil war. It doesn't want to send its limited blue-water capabilities into America's backyard to get painted. It doesn't want to deal with oil supply chains against America's nuclear-powered fleet. And it doesn't want to risk Trump popping an aneurysm and disabling their ships, an attack to which all retaliation options carry material risks of nuclear escalation (in a way bombing boats on the other side of the world does not), and which would mean trashing China's and the global economy as the trade war turns blockade.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

China also doesn't have the capabilities to extract the super heavy and poor quality Venezuelan crude, only the US has those capabilities.

Essentially all of the existing infrastructure in Venezuela was built by Americans, and is crumbling.

While Venezuela has tremendous amounts of oil, most of it is not very easy to extract profitably.

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> China also doesn't have the capabilities to extract the super heavy and poor quality Venezuelan crude

They could build this. That's orthogonal to planting an oil-burning carrier group halfway around the world next to nuclear CVNs that could be reached from U.S. soil by Cessna 172s.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

It would not be worth it for them, they have much more lucrative options in their own neighborhood.

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> It would not be worth it for them

Oh yes, we completely agree. More to the point, the tens of billions of dollars they'd burn–at a minimum–on a pointless proxy war with the U.S. would be better spent continuing to reduce China's reliance on foreign oil.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

I specifically meant that it wouldn't be worth it for China to do any kind of large scale oil extraction in Venezuela even if the US let them. Most of the oil in Venezuela is really hard to extract profitably.

Without US expertise and investment the oil in Venezuela will tend to stay in the ground.

Comment by lenkite 21 hours ago

> China also doesn't have the capabilities to extract the super heavy and poor quality Venezuelan crude, only the US has those capabilities.

Strangely, India does too.

Comment by neom 1 day ago

Deescalation would be preferable to escalation no? Personally I'd prefer this cold war we're living through not kick off into global hot war.

Comment by TitaRusell 1 day ago

Whoever replaces Maduro will still be corrupt. Americans think they are fighting the good fight but it will turn out like Iraq: the spice will flow and the Chinese know it.

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

Comment by sylos 1 day ago

Americans don't think this is any kind of good fight.

Comment by ArcHound 1 day ago

Hello, I am from overseas. Can someone please explain to me why would they do that? What is the goal, what is the plan, what is the intent? Thanks for any comments, I am utterly confused.

Comment by givemeethekeys 1 day ago

China wants oil. Wants to pay in Chinese Yuan.

Venezuela has oil. Wants to sell them in Chinese Yuan, because America bad.

America ensures the world's waters stay safe for commerce as long as all countries continue to do business in dollars.

When they don't, America is forced to remind them.

China in the meantime continues to diversify away from oil and doesn't mind taking risks that could cut supply. Venezuela's leadership has, for reasons well understood, fewer options.

America's number one export, as is every global empire's number one export is its currency. It's a gift and a curse.

Saddam's days were numbered when he began selling oil in Euros.

Gaddafi's days were numbered when he tried to sell oil in "gold dinars".

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> as all countries continue to do business in dollars

This is nonsense. We would still be going after Venezuela even if they did business in physical dollars the way Iran did for years.

Comment by givemeethekeys 1 day ago

Rarely are the reasons singular, but I do think that stopping trade (and not just oil trade) in USD is the biggest reason.

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> I do think that stopping trade in USD is the biggest reason

This hasn't been a thing since the 1970s. Oil is priced and settled in multiple currencies today, including out of New York and London. America is a net oil exporter. And global oil trading volumes are insignificant compared with other dollar uses.

There are a lot of stupid reasons we're going to war with Venezuela. None of them have to do with dollar hegemony.

Comment by lossolo 1 day ago

Thats not true. ~85%+ of global oil trade is in USD.

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/ire/focus/ecb.irebox201906...

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Thats not true. ~85%+ of global oil trade is in USD

What part isn't true? I never said most oil isn't traded in dollars. Just that it's priced and traded in currencies other than dollars on commodities desks in the United States.

In 2019, over 60% of all global trade was dollar denominated [1]. (58% today.) That's $27tn of dollar-denominated export invoices. Globally, oil exports are $1.3tn [2].

The petrodollar hypothesis held in the 1970s. It was becoming irrelevant with the 1980s' trade liberalisation. By 2019 [3] it had become totally irrelevant, both as a rational motivation and as a non-conspiratorial geopolitical talking point.

[1] https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/programs/geoeconomics-center...

[2] https://www.worldstopexports.com/worlds-top-oil-exports-coun...

[3] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-US-Just-Became-A-N...

Comment by credit_guy 1 day ago

It was spelled out in the recently published National Security Strategy [1]:

   > We want to ensure that the Western Hemisphere remains reasonably stable and well-governed enough to prevent and discourage mass migration to the United States; we want a Hemisphere whose governments cooperate with us against narco-terrorists, cartels, and other transnational criminal organizations; we want a Hemisphere that remains free of hostile foreign incursion or ownership of key assets, and that supports critical supply chains; and we want to ensure our continued access to key strategic locations. In other words, we will assert and enforce a “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine.
[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-N...

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Comment by spjt 1 day ago

Because it has oil on it, you can sell oil for money.

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Comment by drannex 1 day ago

Oil. It's always oil.

Comment by dragonwriter 1 day ago

While seizing oil supplies and using them to corruptly reward cronies of Trump’s is probably part of it, a bigger part of it is just to have a war, both to provide a legal and propaganda cover for domestic repression (a war with Venezuela —due to a completely fictitious invasion by Venezuela—is already part of the pretext for that since Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act on that basis in March) and to provide an electoral rally-around-the-flag effect.

Comment by crest 1 day ago

Steal the oil and in the process destabilize the government to force regime?

Comment by lawlessone 1 day ago

It's great for anyone else selling oil too , pushes the prices up, e.g Russia.

Comment by sundbry 1 day ago

I suspect it's loaded with drugs rerouted from the speedboats that have been getting BTFO.

Comment by dpkirchner 1 day ago

I have also seen people believe that those boats have drugs, it's wild. I mean if they had drugs we would gather proof and hold trials instead of just murder, murder, murder.

Comment by somewire077 19 hours ago

I am looking at the map and confused. How can these small boats reach US? Venezuela is over 900 nautical miles away from US, assuming 40 knots it can take 24 hours. Do they have enough fuel? Why strike boats on the Pacific Ocean? One cannot reach the Pacific from Venezuela unless via Panama canal.

Comment by jagoff 1 day ago

So, to be very clear, what do you believe were in those 55 gallon drums on that multiple engined long hull speed boat?

Comment by dpkirchner 1 day ago

I'm not going to assume they are drugs, I'm not that weird. I'm confident our military could figure it out and share the evidence, though. They should be competent enough.

Comment by mmustapic 1 day ago

I get it. If you are travelling in a high speed boat with 55 gallon drums then you get executed, for the crime of travelling in a high speed boat with 55 gallon drums.

Comment by AngryData 1 day ago

They could be smuggling other things, we got tariffs all over the place.

Comment by lawlessone 1 day ago

Well we'll never know will we? because they blew it up.

Comment by fatbird 17 hours ago

Fuel oil deliveries to smaller communities that don't buy in tanker quantities. Those boats are basically the u-hauls of the sea.

Comment by onlypassingthru 1 day ago

Gold? Gems? Cartel victims? Or... a 'boatload of cash'?!

We'll never know now will we?

Comment by cosmicgadget 1 day ago

> I mean if they had drugs we would gather proof and hold trials

That's the reason you believe the boats weren't carrying drugs?

Comment by bigyabai 1 day ago

That would be a convenient scapegoat, but I've seen no evidence suggesting it is likely.

Comment by genter 1 day ago

Don't worry, a significant portion of us in the US are also utterly confused in regards to whats going on with the federal government.

Comment by ArcHound 1 day ago

Thanks. I just saw at BBC that it was "for a very good reason". I just thought that I'm missing some context. I guess all that's left to say is to wish you a great day.

Comment by antifa 1 day ago

That very good reason's name? Manufacturing Consent. Iraq WMDs 2.0 brought to you by Mr No New Wars.

Comment by SilverElfin 1 day ago

I suspect they want to gain access to Venezuelan oil reserves to make energy cheaper, reduce prices, and win elections. Or grift off it for personal wealth. Or both.

Comment by m348e912 1 day ago

While I don't think the US has the authority to warrant the sizing of another country's oil tanker, the US may believe they have justification.

Accusation: Venezuela is using Nigeria as a means to launder sanctioned oil.

https://x.com/0x2719/status/1998867882365825299?s=20

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

Any US actions wrt Venezuela almost certainly have the backing of what the US (probably rightfully) considers to be the legitimate government of Venezuela.

Comment by NoGravitas 18 hours ago

Meaning Juan Guaido?

Comment by cherryteastain 1 day ago

Domestic laws of a country do not constitute valid justification for seizing another country's vessels under international law.

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Domestic laws of a country do not constitute valid justification for seizing another country's vessels under international law

The great powers (China, Russia and America) have each, at this point, explicitly rejected this principle. More broadly, internationa law does contain broad exemptions for piracy.

Comment by Aloisius 1 day ago

International law exempts piracy? That's somewhat contrary to my understanding, but fascinating if true.

But if we're using that as a justification, are we admitting the US has turned pirate then?

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> International law exempts piracy

UNCLOS provides that “all states have universal jurisdiction on the high seas to seize pirate ships and aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board” [1].

> if we're using that as a justification, are we admitting the US has turned pirate then?

No, because the seizure was not “committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft” [2]. Under UNCLOS states can’t be pirates.

(Again, this is academic. China has been blowing off UNCLOS judgements in the South China Sea for years.)

[1] https://www.un.org/depts/los/piracy/piracy_legal_framework.h...

[2] https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unc...

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

This seizure was absolutely legal under the UNCLOS, the US unquestionably has valid justification under international law to seize this (and any other) stateless vessel.

Comment by crest 1 day ago

In theory they gave the flag state a perfectly valid casus belli, but the flag state isn't in a position to take on the US navy. It would be funny if the flag states or the owners tried to seize US owned property in some involved jurisdiction as compensation.

Comment by SilverElfin 1 day ago

Even if they want to launder sanctioned oil, that is up to those two other countries. The US has no right to militarily intervene.

Comment by basisword 1 day ago

Sanctioned by who? The president who thinks his tech companies shouldn't be subject to European laws when they operate in Europe believes completely separate countries have to abide by his rules when doing business?

Comment by basisword 1 day ago

Can someone explain why US sanctions on Iranian oil would have any relevance to Venezuela? And why the US would have any right to enforce those sanctions by seizing some other countries tanker? Or is this the US just doing what it wants because nobody will tell it otherwise?

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Can someone explain why US sanctions on Iranian oil would have any relevance to Venezuela?

"Brokers in Singapore told The Wall Street Journal that a tanker called the Skipper was the vessel seized off Venezuela early Wednesday. The tanker, formerly called the Adisa, had been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control for carrying Iranian crude" [1].

[1] https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/u-s-seizes-oil-tanker-off...

Comment by seanmcdirmid 1 day ago

Oh, I think I know this one. Venezuela crude is really heavy and dirty, but a lot of refineries, including ones in Texas and I imagine Iran, are designed to mix it with some lighter crude to derive a decent gasoline yield. These refineries only work like this however, and have basically become dependent on dirty crude sources like Venezuela. The USA I think is dealing via Alberta tar sands, but maybe they decided to just steal the oil from Venezuela directly (Trump is unhinged like that).

Comment by crest 1 day ago

This is the US navy resorting to gunboat diplomacy.

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Comment by stevenalowe 1 day ago

Under what authority???

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Under what authority???

Under U.S. law, if they're smart, anti-piracy and anti-narcotics interdiction. They're not, so they're citing sanctions.

Practically, however, this is sort of the endgame to the spheres-of-influence narrative. China can ram Phillipine fishing boats. Russia can steal children. America can commandeer random shit in the Western hemisphere.

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Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

So, despite all the stupid trolling there's an actual answer to this question.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea authorizes any state to interdict stateless vessels, which this was.

Comment by jajuuka 1 day ago

Under Operation Freedom. We're gonna make sure every drop of oil is liberated from Venezuela.

Comment by k310 1 day ago

The Epstein Distraction Act.

Comment by crest 1 day ago

Non but superior firepower the US is reverting to might makes right for all to see. I can't wait for the response to "China seizes container ship leaving Taiwan loaded with illicit semiconductors to enforce its tariffs and export restrictions on trade with the 'rebelious province' by force".

Comment by seanmcdirmid 1 day ago

The problem with that is that those ships leave from Taiwan’s east coast and the ryukyus with american military resources are in the way of China getting to the east coast of Taiwan (which is really another reason they want Taiwan along with developing some bases in the South China Sea, they are basically hemmed in with the current political arrangement).

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Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

"The move came just hours after Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado left the country on a boat, an escape that potentially gave the Trump administration an opening to take more aggressive action against the Maduro regime" [1].

[1] https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/u-s-seizes-oil-tanker-off...

Comment by zzleeper 1 day ago

Hope they don't confuse her boat and blow her up :/

Comment by tim333 20 hours ago

She made it to Oslo and is celebrating her peace prize by calling for an invasion

https://news.sky.com/story/venezuela-has-already-been-invade...

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

>a large tanker, very large, largest one ever seized, actually -DJT

Spoiler alert: It wasn't

Trump tanker DWT: 310309

Sirius Star DWT: 318000

Comment by m463 1 day ago

hmmm... "seized" :)

Sirius Star ... on 15 November 2008, becoming the largest ship ever captured by pirates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Sirius_Star

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

I'm too lazy to edit the wikipedia page to say "seized" instead of captured, so let's just pretend I did that.

Comment by cherryteastain 1 day ago

Imagine the outrage if the title were instead "China seizes Philippine oil tanker in South China Sea"

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Imagine the outrage if the title were instead "China seizes Philippine oil tanker in South China Sea"

China has been sinking Philippine boats in Philippine territorial waters [1].

There are good reasons to be outraged about this. But it's continuing a precedent China and Russia set, presumably assuming the West wouldn't follow.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Reed_Bank_incident

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

How is that comparable? That seems like a deliberate misrepresentation of the situation.

US actions here almost certainly have the full backing of what they (probably rightfully) consider to be the legitimate Venezuelan government.

Comment by cherryteastain 1 day ago

> How is that comparable? That seems like a deliberate misrepresentation of the situation. Russian actions here almost certainly have the full backing of what they (probably rightfully) consider to be the legitimate Donestk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic governments.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

Can you explain how exactly that is supposed to be a comparable situation? It's pretty widely accepted that Edmundo González won the legitimately held elections in Venezuela

Comment by cherryteastain 1 day ago

Maduro is a corrupt dictator who holds sham elections, but that does not change the fact that he unfortunately is the president of the internationally recognized government. Will you also propose US seize Turkish or Russian freighters because Erdogan and Putin "won" elections under highly suspect circumstances?

If Putin came out in 2020 and said "I do not recognize Joe Biden as US president, he stole the election, Donald Trump was the real winner, so I am sanctioning America and seizing American LNG tankers" everyone would take that as a hostile action and even a casus belli.

Comment by Centrino 1 day ago

> internationally recognized government

Countries not recognizing the current government of Venezuela as legitimate:

- US

- all 27 EU member countries

- UK, Canada, Australia

- Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay

- Israel, Japan, Morocco, South Korea

- Switzerland, Norway, Iceland

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

> but that does not change the fact that he unfortunately is the president of the internationally recognized government

Hardly true at this point.

>Will you also propose US seize Turkish or Russian freighters because Erdogan and Putin "won" elections under highly suspect circumstances?

Not sure why you're asking me this. I'm not proposing the US should seize Venezuelan freighters, I'm just saying they have a reasonable excuse if they choose to do so.

>If Putin came out in 2020 and said "I do not recognize Joe Biden as US president, he stole the election, Donald Trump was the real winner, so I am sanctioning America and seizing American LNG tankers" everyone would take that as a hostile action and even a casus belli.

Donald Trump probably wouldn't have, and perhaps many of his supporters :)

Comment by JumpCrisscross 1 day ago

> Russian actions here almost certainly have the full backing of what they (probably rightfully) consider to be the legitimate Donestk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic governments

Bullshit that might have worked if Russia didn't proceed to claim de facto sovereignty over the rest of Ukraine.

It's also precisely the same logic the U.S. is using. Maduro is illegitimate. The legitimate, elected goverment in exile wants Maduro toppled. Herego, this shit.

Comment by antifa 1 day ago

> probably rightfully

Surely we're all old enough to know that's an obvious lie. The US government probably doesn't know or care if Maduro is a dictator, they're just here for the oil.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

US would get the oil regardless of who they back, there's nobody else with the technical capabilities to extract at scale in Venezuela. This is a completely ridiculous argument.

Comment by antifa 19 hours ago

No it's not, the current regime is very open about how excited they are about getting that oil and very hand wavy about everything else.

It would be ridiculous to argue that the current regime has any genuine concerns or interest about democracy, drug trafficking (even just pardoned one), or the legitimacy of Venezuela's government.

Comment by basisword 1 day ago

Will you be sticking to this reasoning when the US decides Russia is the legitimate government in large parts of Ukraine in a few months?

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

I don't see how this reasoning would be at all applicable in that situation.

There are good reasons to believe that Edmundo González won the elections in Venezuela, there are no good reasons to believe anything similar about illegally occupied territories in Ukraine.

Comment by jjkaczor 1 day ago

Give the Mr. "New New Wars" another "peace prize"...

Comment by classified 1 day ago

> In July, the Trump administration walked back a February move to cut off U.S. oil giant Chevron from doing business in Venezuela.

"It's OK when it's our guy."

Comment by SilverElfin 1 day ago

Imagine saying vile things about Somalians for weeks and then turning into an actual Somalian pirate (EDIT: a small fraction of Somalians). What a farce.

Comment by monerozcash 1 day ago

I feel like associating piracy with Somalians like you just did is also bordering on "saying vile things about Somalia", presumably only a very small fraction of Somalians are pirates.

Just food for thought.

Comment by SilverElfin 1 day ago

I agree and point taken. But I also did not state or imply that most Somalians are pirates. I was just repeating the common racist memes I see on Twitter as a parody of them.

Comment by moomoo11 1 day ago

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Comment by grafmax 1 day ago

Venezuela participates in a small portion of the illegal drug trade. US government officials have stated that they want Venezuela’s oil reserves. This is a transparent excuse for an oil grab.

Comment by moomoo11 1 day ago

So? And what about my point that fishermen don't move at 100 knots in speedboats filled with plastic wrapped packages they start dumping as soon as they're spotted?

How does Venezuela have so much oil and yet their population suffers tremendously?

Let me guess that is also somehow the fault of USA/capitalism/colonialism?

Comment by dpkirchner 1 day ago

You seem to have more proof of their alleged crimes than the government has offered anyone else, where did you get it?

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Comment by Kim_Bruning 1 day ago

I haven't seen a source on plastic wrapped packages. Can you point to where that might be?

Comment by MisterTea 1 day ago

What does this have to do with an oil tanker?

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