After Windows Update, Password icon invisible, click where it used to be
Posted by zdw 8 days ago
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Comment by vijucat 8 days ago
I use Windows Update Blocker on Windows 10 to keep it "protected" from upgrades (!). I can see that critical security updates are occurring despite this, so it's a good compromise. For now. When Windows 12 is announced, Windows 11 may finally be usable.
Comment by PunchyHamster 7 days ago
Meanwhile everything consumer and most enterprise is as you said, "don't upgrade if it is not broken, else you WILL feel pain".
Companies basically trained bad security habits into their user base
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Comment by ndsipa_pomu 7 days ago
However, Windows Update isn't doing a major version upgrade as far as I know - it's the equivalent of doing a kernel upgrade in Linux. Also, the typical Linux upgrade command will also pull in updates/fixes for pretty much every bit of software in the system, whereas Windows Update will ignore user installed software as far as I know.
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Comment by doubled112 7 days ago
Sometimes I even run testing because stable will be out shortly and I don't feel like upgrading.
It's a very different experience to the single Windows laptop in my house, where the latest stable is always subtly broken in ways I notice. Last week the top half of the taskbar disappeared for an evening, for example.
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Comment by jerriep 8 days ago
I think it will still be objectively bad. But maybe compared to Windows 12, it will seem good.
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Comment by ndiddy 7 days ago
Of course I don't expect Microsoft to suddenly start caring about product quality. The Windows user base has largely stopped growing, so MBA logic is to spend the bare minimum resources on maintenance and to funnel the existing userbase into growth areas like cloud/AI services.
Comment by ffsm8 7 days ago
> Getting rid of QA eliminated Microsoft's institutional knowledge of what causes bugs, what areas to look at, etc
Seems incorrect from all interactions I've had with dedicated QA to day.
They usually have no idea about any of that, what they do know is how to use a software and what scenarios have previously broken, but not from a technical perspective that can reason about error scenarios. More like a power user that just learned to use a UI, without knowing what it actually does.
I feel like their recent push to AI driven development has likely had more impact in their issues in the last 2 yrs vs a decision that's at this point 11 years in the past - but they are probably both (along with other unnamed factors) contributing to this end result.
Overall saddening, as windows 10 really was a big leap forward in usability.
Comment by toast0 7 days ago
These positions required development abilities and they would develop the testing scenarios concurrently with the team building the software. And the results were less buggy, IMHO. But it's expensiving having twice the engineering staff when you can just ask software developers to test things themselves and not follow up to make sure it happened.
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Comment by WorldMaker 7 days ago
There's also different apocrypha about the numerology aspect that 9 is a very unlucky number in some cultures and commonly skipped in version numbers (similar to but more so than 13 in the US being skipped on many elevators). (Also why it is said other companies like Apple often skip 9 to make it easier to use the same version cross-culturally without cultural taboo mistakes.)
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Comment by marcosdumay 7 days ago
Last version was really bad, let's focus on fixing problems on the next ... last version was great, we need new revolutionary features to sell the next one.
That was visible on the older versions of Windows. Win 95 was kinda bad because nothing worked very well, then 98 fixed things, then ME tried to redo everything that still worked badly, what didn't work so they merged everything that worked into 2000. XP both worked badly at the beginning, and well at the end; Vista rebuilt a lot of stuff, and 7 fixed it so it worked.
And then the rhythm completely stopped.
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Comment by BenjiWiebe 7 days ago
I stuck on 7 for a long time, not because I was waiting for 11, but because I was waiting for some annoyances with 10 to get addressed.
I still would rather have an updated W7 than W10 or W11.
Updated means - security updates, clipboard manager, dism (W7's dism was limited).
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Comment by Telaneo 7 days ago
People sticking to 7 until 11 came out is something I've heard nothing of. The people who stuck to 7 that I knew of knew that things were very unlikely to get better.
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Comment by butlike 7 days ago
95 - good,
98 - bad,
2000 - good,
ME - bad,
XP - good,
Vista - bad,
7 - Good,
8 - bad,
10 - good,
11 - bad.
Comment by tonyedgecombe 7 days ago
Also 95/98/me were a different line from NT/2000.
It sounds like a good theory but there isn’t much substance to it.
Comment by Telaneo 7 days ago
I find this to be a mostly valid assumption, and 8.1 shouldn't be counted separately from 8 just as Vista SP2 should be counted any differently from Vista (Vista was mostly fine after companies fixed their drivers and Microsoft toned things down a bit. 7 just drove that home and put some necessary distance between itself and Vista).
> Also 95/98/me were a different line from NT/2000.
I fail to see why this matters.
Comment by basch 7 days ago
Windows 5.0-5.2 is Win 2000, Win XP, Win XP64.
Windows 6.0-6.3 is Vista, 7, 8, 8.1.
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Comment by doubled112 7 days ago
This morning I got three screens asking if I wanted to log in and configure backup. There is still not an option to say no, only ask me later.
Last week the top half of the taskbar disappeared for an evening.
Comment by Grisu_FTP 7 days ago
Not respecting a no is usually something very very bad people do.
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Comment by user34283 7 days ago
The only thing that I recall popping up is those setup screens that appear after some updates for no good reason.
I also don't recall any particularly buggy experience with Windows 11.
Meanwhile my Mac mini M2 Pro is having issues all the time. From the start I could not even use my second monitor without turning off and back on the primary monitor first for the second to come on.
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Comment by Telaneo 7 days ago
I went to Linux instead. I got what I wanted there.
What ideas did 10 have that weren't just purely technical updates (i.e. DX12 and the like), and weren't just undoing what Windows 8 did?
Comment by throwawaylaptop 7 days ago
They bought a new windows 11 laptop from Costco for $600. Yes cheap, but not total garbage.
Tried using it for a few weeks. Worse performance that their 6 year old similarly cheap laptop running windows 10.
Returned new computer. I installed Linux Mint Mate and bought an Chinese battery for $30. Laptop better than new.
Comment by soraminazuki 7 days ago
For paying users, this is the definition of an unmitigated disaster. Windows 11 expands on all of the worst aspects of Windows 10. Inconsistent UI, duplicated settings, two context menus, laggy start menu with React in it, and on and on and on the list goes. It's obvious why people hate it.
No other OS has shown this much level of outright contempt towards its users. Modern Windows is, without doubt, the worst desktop OS to ever exist in the history of computing.
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Are there any good ideas in Windows 10 ?
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With Windows 7, once the evaluation period ran out, you just had to deal with an annoying notification about your copy not being genuine, but it never stopped me from doing whatever I needed to do after installing it on dozens of machines over the years, at this point.
Comment by dijit 7 days ago
https://windowsforum.com/threads/kms38-shut-down-windows-act...
2) It’s not legal, obviously. I’d always have a tinge of worry that if I join a Teams call or something then my employer is on the hook for me doing something naughty.
(given how Microsoft has decided to “upgrade” my local account to a Microsoft account before when logging in to outlook)
Comment by officeplant 7 days ago
Maybe I'm wrong, but I assume most people here are talking about their personal computers unless self employed.
The company IT department isn't going to be deploying oddball versions of Windows 10, unless you're shady small business.
Comment by 0xEF 7 days ago
I never looked that deep into it since nobody came to me with any issues about it, but you have me wondering. I don't personally use Windows, either, despite my HN handle (it's just a reference I thought was funny), and I am finding myself more and more ignorant to what Microsoft is actually pushing. Thanks for the heads up. Will spend some time looking at this deeper.
Comment by gruez 7 days ago
Seems AI generated?
Comment by BLKNSLVR 7 days ago
And using Windows for free still didn't stop me from migrating to Linux exclusively (desktop and laptops and servers), and it's a decision I'm increasingly happy with.
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Comment by basilikum 7 days ago
Also don't use the evaluation images.
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However, my experience may be dated. It's been awhile since I've had to freshly install Windows. Perhaps things have changed.
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But if you're just using Steam (or any other third party storefront) you won't have any problems at all.
Comment by 0xEF 7 days ago
> Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is built on the Windows 10 / 11 code base so it’s natively compatible with the software and solutions you use today.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-...
I've not tried to use it specifically, which is why I'm curious.
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For example, iOS 26 introduced the liquid glass, which, coupled with how some UI elements work, was essentially the only change. If I wait until the inevitable iOS 36, I'll have to learn the UI paradigm on top of 10 versions worth of functional upgrades. The delta would be too large for me.
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I'm not using windows anymore, but at least since Windows XP I felt like only every other release of Windows was usable. So my upgrade path was XP, Vista, 10, completely skipping over the bad releases Vista and 8. So just skip over 11, Windows 12 might be an okay release again.
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Comment by deafpolygon 6 days ago
Knowing Microsoft, feels like they’ll just make it a mandatory security update.
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Comment by QuadrupleA 7 days ago
If you could sign a contract with e.g. Microsoft (or hell, NPM) to only receive updates that explicitly fix bugs and security holes, that'd be amazing - but I've rarely if ever seen it.
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Comment by DANmode 6 days ago
You are less secure if you wave off years of security patches.
Comment by Telaneo 7 days ago
If Microsoft and the like really cared about security, they'd push security completely separately from feature updates, allowing people to get the benefit of updates, without the negatives of those update breaking their environment.
Or better yet, not push updates that break that break their environment in the first place. Security is a nice excuse for Microsoft to get you to update, but it's been used so many times to push hostile experiences to users that I can't blame the users for not wanting to be burned. The fault lies entirely with Microsoft and other companies for pushing hostile changes and chipping away at their goodwill.
It hurts, Microsoft. Why are you doing this to us? (It's money. It's always money.)
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Comment by estimator7292 6 days ago
And honestly I'm going to keep it this way until something breaks. I'm absolutely fucking sick of my phone nagging me to update every couple of weeks. Besides, at this point I have to manually flash the new version and I just can't be bothered.
The only way to back up your phone is with some weirdass encryption. It generates a long password for you that you MUST write on physical paper in the real world with your actual hands. They disabled any and all method to digitally record this password.
It's all so disrespectful. This is my goddamn phone, I paid for it on cold hard cash, and it is mine to do with as I please. Fuck absolutely anyone who tries to force some particular interaction.
I have a few windows 10 VMs around and they all are firewalled from Microsoft. They don't like it, which pleases me.
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Comment by defrost 7 days ago
https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil
It's a suite of powershell scripts and tweaks that are open source for inspection frontended by a nifty powershell multi tabbed TUI (Text User Interface) widget.
There's a tab for upgrades and installs of common dev / tech / power user tools; a tab for tweaks; a tab for windows update options; a tab for building install disks / VM's (eg: minimal for gaming or for hosting windows applications in Qubes, etc).
Update Tab can select all updates / only critical / none ever / advise and let you choose.
To use, you do need to 'trust' (or inspect the work of and download source and self apply) a pool of windows tech nerds - you literally open a powershell admin window and pipe raw boot script over the internet and give it control to bring up the TUI.
This could be malware (but isn't, last I checked) - same risk with all such tools d/loaded from internet of course.
See Usage on github page - various writeups and youtube tutorials.
It'll rip the AI addons, Copilot, and Snapshot and Spy stuff right out of Windows 10 / 11.
Easy to use and follow.
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Comment by defrost 7 days ago
https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil/issues/2358
( it might be resolved via another number - worth checking by d/loading to 11 and checking the hotlink notes in the update tab ... )
Comment by DANmode 7 days ago
Edit: Yes, here we are, in Powershell,
Stop-Computer -Force
Comment by vachina 7 days ago
Windows will chug along as if Windows Update never existed (forever).
Comment by vijucat 7 days ago
I will check out the Chris Titus link someone else posted below, too, but that seems more risky.
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Run Debian Stable and it basically doesn't happen - only updates are actual security ones.
Run any rolling distro and you basically accept "with newest version comes the newest bugs"
And there is a whole bunch of distros between those extremes ,depending on how new you need your software to be (that being said, Debian Testing hits nice mix between "new enough" and "someone actually tested stuff before publishing").
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Comment by teddyh 7 days ago
Headset does not work on Linux: “This is crap, I’ll tell everybody I know to stay away from Linux!”
Headset does not work on Windows: “This is crap, I’ll tell everybody I know to stay away from these headphones!”
(Re-post from 2022: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32541772>)
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Comment by watermelon0 7 days ago
After successfully installing Windows 11 and connecting to a WiFi network, Windows automatically upgraded all drivers, which resulted in WiFi not being able to detect some WiFi networks.
Solution was to manually downgrade to an older Intel driver, but figuring out the root cause took quite a while.
Comment by vladvasiliu 7 days ago
Last Friday I went to the office and my 5 yo fully intel win11 laptop only detected the full resolution of my external screen if it was connected during boot. Unplug it or even just let it sleep when going to the bathroom, and I’d return to a blurry mess of an image. Sometimes, if there’s a driver update, it can also fix the issue until the next time the screen turns off. This used to work somewhat reliably before.
It also refuses to connect to my Shure and Sony BT headphones. It sees them, says it’s connected, then immediately says it’s disconnected. The BT keyboard works fine. No issue whatsoever under Linux, so the hardware works fine.
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Comment by prmoustache 7 days ago
In the end I rebooted and sound was working again. Something related to sound (driver, subsystem) had probably crashed randomly.
It was the third time I lost sound in the last 2 months. That is not counting the many windows updates that fail randomly with obscure codes, the randomly undetected monitors, windows Apps that randomly change my selected monitors after I lock and unlock my session and a number of other bugs I encountered in the last 6 months
This never happened in the last 6 years I had been making videocalls with MS Teams on Linux. Only issues I had back then was Teams not always showing new plugged/connected audio devices but this also happens frequently on windows so I fault MS Teams, not the OS in this case.
I won't say Linux never has bugs but statistically it seems to me that on well supported laptops (thinkpads), Linux is much more reliable than windows.
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Last month I have experienced the first major kernel bug in two decades, and all I had to do was reboot into the previous system update. Pretty painless.
Comment by embedding-shape 7 days ago
I'm personally partial to Arch Linux, haven't had an issue with upgrades since I moved to it in ~2017, which was the last year I let Ubuntu's dist-upgrade break my work computer.
Comment by dspillett 7 days ago
IIRC there have been a couple, but they've not affected the packages I was using, or I hadn't updated before the issues were spotted and resolved. The last half of that point is important: most Linux distros can be trusted to be left alone for 24 hours without coming back to find they've rebooted themselves, potentially losing work (or if not work, at least context so getting back to work takes longer than it should), without permission. Forcing updates and reboots might be acceptable when they cover a serious remote attack exposure bug, but Windows will reboot itself without permission even for relatively minor updates, and the fact it needs to reboot for so many minor things, where under Linux the updates might just need to restart a daemon or two rather than the whole OS, is irritating. Yes, there are ways to block Windows doing that, but you shouldn't have to fight your OS like that.
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1) https://web.archive.org/web/20040730204123/http://pack.sunsi...
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All my personal computers using intel and amd graphic cards have been faultless using same distro for the last decade.
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If you even have control... I have a Google Pixel 8 which was nagging me to update to the latest and greatest Android when my phone was already working just fine. I kept putting it off and rescheduling it until two weeks ago. I was driving home from work, phone in the cup holder, listening to music when the music suddenly stopped. I picked up my phone to see if it was a call or the shitty Honda Bluetooth crapped out again but to my surprise, my phone was powered off. Huh? Never had a phone just turn off like that. I let it sit for a bit to see if it was rebooting but no, it was off. So I powered it back on and suddenly I'm looking at new animations and realize that somehow the OS update forcefully installed itself. WTF. I am not sure if I accidentally scheduled the install, highly doubt it, but there it is, I had the update forced on to me.
IThe best p[art is this latest and greatest Android that I did not need or want has a regression where swiping down the notification menu has a 5+ seconds delay to populate the menu with the notifications. So yeah, totally worth it... /s
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Right, the software quality literally exploded. But, unfortunately, this was before AI. It came roughly at the same time Agile was becoming mainstream
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As a result of this change, print clients running versions of Windows prior to Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004 (Build number 19041) will intentionally fail to print to remote print servers running Windows 11, versions 24H2 or 25H2, and Windows Server 2025, that have installed this update, or later updates. Attempting to print from an unsupported print client to an updated print server will fail with one of the following errors: ”
Wow.
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I don’t know if this C library helps mitigate this but Print Spooler is not “it just works” either.
Comment by vintagedave 7 days ago
> will intentionally fail to print to remote print servers
Why would a more secure local print driver refuse to talk to _remote_ print servers? What is so untrustable about what comes over the wire, and if it is, how can they trust the print server is or is not one is claims to be and can be talked to?
Comment by tonyedgecombe 7 days ago
Not only that but it seemed every time they fixed a vulnerability some piece of functionality broke.
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Even though it's in-fashion to hate them, Microsoft has been pretty amazing at keeping compatibility. This one is pretty painful, but I really don't think they're doing it just to fuck with people or force you onto Windows 11 (as some people seem to think).
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https://github.com/massgravel/massgrave.dev/blob/main/docs/w...
I recommend IoT Enterprise LTSC and you can use https://get.activated.win to activate it.
If you are using it in a business setting it's $30/month per license (there are unfortunately no non subscription licenses for windows 11 IoT).
Alternatively you can install AtlasOS and disable automatic updates and rely on maintaining a strong firewall or/and switching every application to run sandboxed using sandboxie for security. Take note that for an average person you can run without updates as long as your computing device never leaves your home and your local network / networks you trust, use external tool for driver updates.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
Windows 10 LTSC will still get updates for years, and uses less than half the resources that 11 does.
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Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
I know you can add the missing right click options back. I just shouldn't have to.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
With Windows 11 you get less, and pay more.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
Why is 200MB acceptable but peaking to 500MB just totally unacceptable and problematic? The original Macintosh had a graphical desktop with 128KB of RAM, shouldn't anything more than 50KB be unacceptable?
EDIT: Just checked on a couple of my Windows 11 machines, all of them have Explorer using <200MB of memory. So no, explorer.exe isn't necessarily using 500MB of memory. Something else is going on with that system.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
I don't think MS cares to be competitive at all. Here is a small list of things other file managers can do that MS would never dream of (because it would require effort):
* Batch rename files
* File metadata/tag support
* Sessions/saved layouts (sort of exists in a half finished state)
* Fish/SSH Support
* Builtin hash/checksum support
* Native dual pane views
* Customizable keyboard shortcuts
* Built-in terminal
* Handle compressed files (outside limited zip compatibility)
* Search with advanced features (offers limited support)
* File versioning
* The ability to navigate entirely with the keyboard
* File transfer queue management (think Terracopy)
* Builtin Compare/Sync
* A Preview Pane
* User adjustable UI
* etc
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Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
EDIT - To clarify, since we're many levels deep now. I'm specifically talking about file explorer. After 40 years of windows we have an explorer.exe that is still inferior to midnight commander in many ways and uses more memory than Windows XP used in total just to show us the files.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
This is incorrect. explorer.exe does more than just "show us the files", it is essentially the entire desktop environment. The taskbar, the start menu, file explorer windows, all the notification area, the quick settings area, etc. are all "explorer.exe".
Comment by DANmode 6 days ago
to bring us back to the original conversation.
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Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
Powertoys doesn't count anymore than just downloading a better file manager does. If I have to download something to replace or enhance it, you don't get credit.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
> Name it and I'll show you how broken or weak it is compared to free alternatives
We've now gone from "these features can't possibly ever exist because M$ so bad" to "they're not the absolute best possible implementation that could ever exist". I'm sure you'll continue to move the goalposts.
But sure, I'll name a few.
Only having limited ZIP support for archives. Its not true, it supports tar and 7z archives natively now as well, supporting a number of different compression formats including Zstandard and xz. Are there other compression utilities out there that support more? Sure. But saying it only has limited zip support and that's it is just a lie.
File versioning? File History has been a feature since Windows 8.
I just tested and was able to navigate to any part of the File Explorer window with nothing but a keyboard. I've used it a number of times with only a keyboard, but I wasn't sure that every thing was selectable. But yes, can confirm, you can use the whole thing with only a keyboard.
A Preview Pane? Really? Yes, File Explorer has a preview pane. Go to View > Preview Pane. This one really just gets me though. Are you truly this ignorant of extremely basic obvious features, or are you just making things up to complain about?
Comment by prmoustache 7 days ago
Also it is true there are features that exist but are half assed. Like virtual desktops. I use them all the time on Linux but on windows they are so inconvenient and unpractical especially if you have multiple monitors. One simole example is you can't move a window from one screen to another while also moving it from one virtual desktop to another, you have to do it in 2 pass.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
I wasn't aware of that. It wasn't a lie, I'm just old. Mea Culpa. The last time I checked it only did ZIP, and only did that poorly as it lacked support for encrypted archives (only supporting older easily crackable archives). I've been installing 7zip out of habit for so long I failed to notice it improved. I'll give the new features a try.
> File History has been a feature since Windows 8.
File history is an OS level feature that's disabled by default, and that I believe requires admin to enable. It doesn't really feel like it's fair, since the average user can't.. use it. Change control should just be something explorer does natively (at least optionally) when moving/copying/renaming/etc. Ctl-z just isn't enough in 2025. But that's fine, you can have credit for this one too.
That said, I do give MS credit for adding multiple undo steps sometime around Windows XP. Being able to ctl-z multiple times was a feature people actually wanted.
> I just tested and was able to navigate to any part of the File Explorer window with nothing but a keyboard.
AFAIK you still cannot group files, sort the view, create a zip file, create a new file, burn a disc, etc without clumsily navigating menus intended for mouse only usage with the keyboard. Yes, it's possible but it's incredibly painful, slow, and difficult to understand. All of those things should either have hotkeys or let you assign hotkeys of your own. In fact, every part of the UI should, but mostly does not. This is terrible for accessibility AND for productivity.
MS has to be aware that it's essentially unusable with a keyboard, they obviously just decided not to care for the last 20+ years.
> Are you truly this ignorant of extremely basic obvious features, or are you just making things up to complain about?
Yeah, I should have been more specific. I was specifically think of Mac's finder and "Quick Look" or whatever it's called. You press space and you get an instant preview, for however many files you have selected.
In windows you have to turn on this clunky sidebar that takes up screen real-estate all day every day until you need it (or never need it). Worse it doesn't really work for a lot of file types so you just end up opening the full application, and mayeb worst of all it stinks out loud from a security perspective. I don't want to preview every piece of malware from the internet. I want to preview the one thing that needs previewed.
It's a terrible, clunky 90's UI for something that is, as you describe it, extremely basic and obvious. Hell, windows can't even preview markdown properly. Sometimes it feels like a time warp to the 90's.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
More ignorance about the preview pane as well in this comment. You can quickly open and close the preview pane with Win+P. Files marked as downloaded from the internet or from file shares are blocked by default these days, one needs to unblock them for them to be opened by the Preview pane.
FWIW, beta builds have Notepad with markdown support. Sure, that's still not File Explorer having markdown support, but neither does Finder. But its whatever, you're shifting the goalposts to features for File Explorer compared to Finder + any other arbitrary application on the system.
What's the single keyboard shortcut on Finder to burn a new CD? If Finder doesn't have it, I guess MacOS is a trash OS with no redeemable value, since that's an obviously critical feature for people to have productive use of their operating systems in 2025.
I'm done here man. You just want to rant and complain features don't exist rather than spending two seconds to see if the feature is there or not.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
Ultimately I complain because I like windows and want it to improve. I'm just incredibly frustrated that after 20 years of explorer.exe this is the best a trillion dollar company can manage.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/
Instead of being so combative and proclaiming these things can't possibly exist, maybe you should look at what is actually there. And I admit, maybe I shouldn't be so rough, I'm sorry for how negative I've been in this exchange. I get frustrated when people say obviously false things. I'll try and work on that. I hope you work on growing as well.
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Comment by hulitu 7 days ago
Because only 200MB are reserved for this application. /s
That 300MB may be taken from another app (CAD) which needs it badly.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
How much of that extra 300MB is paged out and not actually in active memory? On both systems, how much of the total is actually paged out and not in current system memory?
Are you trying to run a modern CAD system on a device with only 512MB of RAM or something?
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
See my other comment in this thread for a list of the many, many, many ways Microsoft continues to chose not to improve.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
Personally I find the Windows 11 desktop experience far better than 10, despite it possibly using 1% more of my system memory at peak times.
And FWIW, on my Windows 11 desktop explorer.exe is using 110MB, not even 200MB.
Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
I was speaking specifically about the file explorer in this context, though you'd have to go back to the grandparent post at least to see that.
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Comment by mapontosevenths 7 days ago
Don't blame me if the architecture stinks.
The fact is it's unnecessarily large, complex, and wasteful of resources isn't the consumers fault. Deciding to use a single monolithic block of whack code that uses all my memory instead of separating those functions wasn't my choice and I'm not gonna change my expectations to suit that weird decision.
Comment by vel0city 7 days ago
Incredible.
And as mentioned, on my other Win11 machines I couldn't get explorer.exe to use more than ~200MB, with most of its usage around 110-130MB. I think you've got something else going on there, potentially lots of other 3rd party applications hooked into it causing excessive memory usage. Win11 doesn't inherently use 500MB of memory compared to Win10 only using a bit under 200MB. That's something with your machines.
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The LTSC version is good for security updates, but I worry that software could stop supporting Windows 10 despite the LTSC version existing.
Coincidentally I am about to install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC! I was experimenting (and struggling) with PXE boot with iSCSI. An update broke iscsi boot in Windows 11 25H2 (26200.6901 works, 26200.7019 fails) as well as LTSC (26100.6905 works, 26100.7178 fails). There were other issues with iscsi boot on the LTSC version - the network hardware needs to be enumerated before the first boot, but can't boot because it needs network (a chicken-and-egg style problem).
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However if you go to the December 1. (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-1-2025-kb...) the icon is still missing. How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon.
Probably not a priority.
Comment by jraph 7 days ago
int Counter = 5;
while (--Counter >= 0 && Prompt("Take a screenshot. Do you see a lock icon on this picture? Answer "Yes" or "No". Be concise. No fluff. Refrain from saying 'You’re absolutely right'. Try to ignore stuff that looks like lock icons in the background.") != "Yes") {
// Try resetting the icon
LockScreenLockIconSet("fa fa-lock");
LockScreenForceRedraw();
Sleep(2000);
// We've seen better results when refreshing a second time after a delay. Don't know why. AI suggested it.
LockScreenForceRedraw();
}Comment by medwards666 8 days ago
They would, but no-one in the development team are able to log into their PCs due to no longer being able to locate the password icon ...
Comment by magackame 8 days ago
Maybe that's the problem? Imagine a Microsoft employee allowed to program only by using a CoPilot prompt, screaming and begging to just apply a patch he already written without touching anything else :D
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lmao. They had an AI create a PR, then a human to review it, but then the human ended up using another AI to review the original AI.
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If a human wrote it, at least there would have been a possibility for learning or growth. This just looks like a waste of time for everyone.
Comment by robotnikman 7 days ago
At one point it basically just keeps responding with
>This requires a comprehensive rewrite
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Sometimes the icons in the dock are also invisible. I thought that it was my RDP client playing bad with the server on Windows but eventually I found bug reports about that. This is exactly what I see 50% of the times https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1bdgym6/windows_...
Comment by hulitu 7 days ago
My experience with Microsoft fixing bugs in Win 10: at least 6 months. At first they deny it, then, after a fix is issued, they acknoledge it.
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Bottom line is employees do what they're incentivised to do.
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Definitely took some setup work - I have a lot of scripts and custom tools. But so worth it! Happy trails.
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If you're not using it (why not?), please start.
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also: "To remove the LCU after installing the combined SSU and LCU package, use the DISM/Remove-Package command line option with the LCU package name as the argument. You can find the package name by using this command: DISM /online /get-packages.
Running Windows Update Standalone Installer (wusa.exe) with the /uninstall switch on the combined package will not work because the combined package contains the SSU. You cannot remove the SSU from the system after installation."
Always these linux users wanting to fix everything in the terminal, luckily i dont need it to use (or install without internet/MS account) Windows at all :)
Comment by nickjj 7 days ago
I have my taskbar set up to be the small view on the bottom but I have the double stacked time + date so I can always see what time it is and today's date. It does this without making the taskbar taller.
50% of the time when I reboot, the date disappears and re-appears on its own after some time (sometimes hours, sometimes days, even without another reboot).
I'm taking 2 weeks off around Christmas and I'm absolutely dedicating some of those days to finally switch to native Linux to be control of my machine. I was trying for almost 10 years but was always road blocked on something not working. I think things are good enough now. I'll be making serious compromises on my video editing workflow but everything else is much better minus games with kernel level anti-cheat and I'm willing to take that hit.
Comment by d3Xt3r 7 days ago
Oh boy, wait till you see Windows 11's UI quriks.. They butchered the taskbar and replaced it with some cheap (presumably AI coded) imitation.
Firstly, you can't move it to the top or sides. Okay, bottom taskbar I can live with.. but if you enable small icons and show all names - like how it used to be back in the day - it doesn't shrink the taskbar's height, so it ends up looking weirdly out-of-proportion. Even more weirder is this inexplicable blank space to the far-right (between the tray and where the taskbar buttons end), this space refuses to be used up even if my taskbar is full - sometime this space just expands for no reason, reducing the space available for the taskbar buttons by almost 50%! So 50% of the taskbar is blank, and the remaining buttons shrink and get shoved into the tiny tray overflow space, thereby almost killing the whole point of the taskbar. It's like, they don't want you to use the old title view any more and want to force you to use the icon-only, centered-taskbar...
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsinsider/
Once upon a time, you were able to get a free Windows 8 license if you join that program. And yes, when I was young and naive and couldn't care less about random things breaking, I joined the program, just like when I used to root Android phones and flash ROMs every other week.
(On the other hand, corporate IT almost certainly only roll out updates half or one year after they become available, when these bugs are likely already fixed.)
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Isn't it a wonderful catch 22?
Comment by eitland 7 days ago
Or is that just a rumor that many of us fall for because it seems like a great explanation of what we see?
Comment by netruk44 7 days ago
These days, the only testing any release of Windows gets is from Microsoft employees (Dev/PM) and Windows Insiders.
They have rules of how many hours of self-hosting are required before they can release, but that’s the only requirement. That there exists telemetry of it running.
You might see a gap with that testing methodology, but it might also explain how things like this happen. If it’s a bug that doesn’t prevent boot, it’s easy to ignore.
(I knew a few devs who would just put builds of windows on one of their computers and play a 72 hour long video of a black screen on repeat to get self hosting hours. Then they would proceed with their feature release. And nobody saw any problem with that.)
Comment by sumtechguy 7 days ago
MS is losing the people who cared about using them. Those people are migrating to linux/macos. I dont blame em.
Comment by MandieD 7 days ago
We were also, essentially, Apple's Mac OS X post-release testing team (10.0 Cheetah was released while I was there, but I missed the party because my grandmother had died and I was back home for her funeral) - we ran into all sorts of exciting problems with basic OS functions.
One of the things MacBU prided themselves on was having fewer people putting out the whole Office suite PLUS Internet Explorer for Mac than there were working on Word for Windows alone, yet still managing.
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looks like it
Comment by hulitu 7 days ago
They never had QA. It was common knowledge to wait until SP2 for a "stable" version. These days, Windows is a rolling release, so all bets are off.
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Select security updates using this app:
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Comment by majkinetor 7 days ago
Second, it's open source. You and your AI army can inspect the code if you wish. The same is true for literary every other software, so I don't see a point you are making.
Comment by jfindper 7 days ago
Oh, are they famous? Who are they and where would I know them from?
>"You and your AI army can inspect the code if you wish."
Nah. Though, if you want to pay a consulting fee, sure!
>"The same is true for literary every other software, so I don't see a point you are making."
The point I'm making is that if you care about security, you shouldn't install an update manager from some random dude, especially when it hasn't been touched in 6 years.
And if you don't recognize why software that manages your updates is riskier than most software, you really shouldn't install an update manager from some random dude.
Comment by DANmode 6 days ago
That’s a shit heuristic.
Comment by avazhi 7 days ago
At this point I’ve literally just disabled updates completely. Firefox + uBlock origin + noscript is gonna have to get me by on that machine for now.
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More seriously, the granny might actually be better served by a Chromebook.
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It's right there, next to the empathy they have for their paying customers.
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The Windows Insiders are so glazed over they probably don’t even use passwords to log in — they’re too lost in the “free QA for Microsoft” sauce.